Appropriations & Oversight Committee — 2023-08-14
Attendance
Christopher Cinella ; Jack Eccles ; Mark Garipay ; Jen Grigoraitis ; Maya Jamaleddine ; Manjula Karamcheti ; Shawn M. MacMaster ; Leila Migliorelli ; John Obremski ; Robb Stewart ; Ryan Williams
Agenda
Minutes
CITY OF MELROSE APPROPRIATIONS & OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CALENDAR● AUGUST 14, 2023 Council Chamber, First Floor, Melrose City HallJoint Meeting with the Planning Board 7:25 PM 562 Main Street, Melrose, MA 02176 Attendee Name Title Status Arrived Leila Migliorelli Chair Present Maya Jamaleddine Vice Chair Present Shawn M. MacMaster Absent Christopher Cinella Absent Jack Eccles Present Mark Garipay Present Robb Stewart Present Manjula Karamcheti Present John Obremski Present Ryan Williams Absent Jen Grigoraitis President, Ex Oficio Excused Chair Migliorelli states that as Mayor Brodeur is outside the country, President Grigoraitis is serving as Acting Mayor and will not participate in the committee meeting. This is per Section 3-8 of the Melorse Charter.
ORDER-2024-4 Amending Revised Zoning Ordinances Amending Melrose Revised Zoning Ordinance to create provisions for Brewery Use as set forth herein. Hold City of Melrose Page 1 8/16/2023 9:19 AM
Transcript
▶ 10:32 Leila Migliorelli: Eckles, Gar Kam Shady Reky and Stewart. This serves as a notice of a quorum. For the record, uh, for the council, please note for the record that since Mayor Broder is traveling outside of the country per our city charter, pursuant Greg to serving as acting mayor and therefore cannot participate in tonight's meeting, turn it over to Chairwoman Chairman, Greg. Yeah. So I'm Greg Sampson, uh, chair of the City of Melrose's Planning Board, and here tonight, uh, for a quorum of the planning board Members, members are Carla Marelli and the SOS Award Ward. Uh, Tim Bailey, Brian Gregory and Michael Veni, and myself In accordance with Open Meeting Law. This meeting is being recorded and broadcast live on M M T V.
▶ 11:18 Leila Migliorelli: Now I'll open, um, the floor for public comment and motion by unanimous consent. Seeing no objection, we are now open for public comment. This is a portion of the meeting where anyone can speak on, um, the one agenda item on our meeting tonight. Um, is there anyone in public who would like to speak? Is there anyone online? Mr. Clerk? There is. Um, if you're here for public comment, please raise your digital hand at this time. I don't see any hands, uh, digital hands raised. Okay. There's no objection. I'll motion by unanimous consent to close the public hearing. Seeing none, oh, sorry. Public comments. Seeing none. We're now closed for public comments. And at this time I will open motion by unanimous consent to open the joint
▶ 12:08 public hearing with the planning board for the proposed zoning amendment to establish brewery use. Seeing no objection, we are now open for the public hearing. Again. Do we have anyone here or online who would like to speak for the public hearing? If you're here for the public hearing, please please raise your digital hand. Alright, Ms. Grek. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Lauren Grek. I'm here, um, as the city's Director of Economic Recovery and Business Development, and also on behalf of Mayor Broder since he can't be with us tonight. To, to extend and reiterate the city, um, the administration support for the zoning amendment that's being considered. Um, in terms of my role in the economic development sort of landscape,
▶ 12:57 this would establish, um, a new use, open up new opportunities for businesses that we don't currently have here. Um, and if we look around us, uh, even on the North Shore, we see this type of use, um, is becoming quite popular in other communities. Um, even Needham is a community that recently went through all of this, and I, I don't necessarily think of Needham as a destination, um, but it's certainly becoming one. And my feeling is that if our community doesn't adopt this zoning amendment and, and support this type of use, that will fall behind in, in our sister communities, uh, Wakefield, Stoneham and others might do it. Um, so I feel that now is the time to, to do this. And I think that a brewery would also support the other businesses we have here,
▶ 13:41 restaurants, shops, um, driving traffic to those longtime businesses that have been here for a while. So, um, thank you for your time and all of your efforts, and I hope that you support the, uh, the zoning amendment as in front of you. Thank you, Ms. Remick. Um, would you like to acknowledge the rest of the planning board members who showed up and Oh, sure. So, uh, also joining us from the planning board or, uh, Beth, uh, and Paul King. I'll get that right one of these days. Beth, Um, any other members of the public here to speak, um, for the public hearing? I don't see anyone with the digital hands raised at this time. Okay. Seeing none. Um, if there's no objection, I'll motion by unanimous consent to close the public hearing. Seeing none,
▶ 14:37 Denise Gaffey: we are public hearing is now closed. Um, the only, well next we'll go to the order on our agenda tonight. Order 2024 dash four amending Melrose Revised Ordinance to create provisions for brewery use as set forth herein. Um, tonight we have Denise Gaffey, director of, uh, planning community development to speak on this order. Good evening. Welcome. Thank you. I'm also here joined, um, by Laurie Masa, who's the senior planner in the planning office. Um, it's a pleasure to be here tonight. Um, we're here to talk about a zoning amendment for, um, a brewery use. And, um, that is the sole purpose of this zoning amendment. It's to create a definition for a brewery in our zoning, um, ordinance, and to allow for that use in certain, um, zoning districts.
▶ 15:36 Denise Gaffey: Um, this amendment was identified as a next step, um, at the city council meeting when you, um, met in May to, um, accept Mass General Law, chapter 1 38, section 19 C relative to farmer brew's licenses, which would allow this type of business to establish in Melrose. Um, so, um, once that happened, we convened a meeting of the zoning subcommittee, which is a subcommittee of the planning board. And, um, we discussed this, um, what this would look like in our zoning ordinance to allow for this use, um, where it would be appropriate to allow for it and what kind of regulations to create around the use. Um, so the zoning subcommittee met in the spring and then, um, um, prepared this, um, this language that's in front of you.
▶ 16:23 Denise Gaffey: It was brought to the full board at their meeting, um, I think maybe in June. And then that was, um, then it was formally, um, approved by the full board to send to the council and to initiate as an amendment. Um, so the, uh, we looked at quite a few other zoning ordinances as part of this process. Um, many of the communities around us do allow for this use. So we looked in, we looked at Beverly Medford, Cambridge, Malden, um, quite a few other communities to just see how they do it and then discuss how it would work most appropriately in Melrose. Um, so we define, um, the brewery, uh, similar to, um, nearby cities, um, with a primary purs purpose of, um, producing and serving beer ale and other malt beverages to be consumed on
▶ 17:13 Denise Gaffey: the premises. And we want establishes that, provide an amenity to the community as opposed to just being an industrial business that produces and distributes beer. So that's one of the distinctions here. Um, the zoning as, as proposed, would allow for accessory uses, including retail sales of products, um, to customers for, um, for of the, of the product to customers for offsite consumption. Um, commercial goods branded by the establishment, things like hats, t-shirts, those types of things that had dis and, uh, and the distribution of the product offsite in certain districts is, um, the, the facility can only sell beverages produced by the establishment or produced for the brewery and sold under the brewery brand name.
▶ 18:00 Denise Gaffey: This would allow for smaller breweries with limited production capacity to offer gluten-free cider, non-alcoholic beer, and other options for those with dietary restrictions. Um, the establishment establishment may also sell food and non-alcoholic beverages produced on or offsite, um, seating. We, um, um, discussed seating that it has to be within the enclosed building or it could also be outdoors, and that all production and storage activities must be enclosed in the building. Um, so one of the major things that distinguishes the, um, the way we distinguish breweries in this proposed amendment is to, um, is, is between breweries that allow for distribution and those that do not. So establishment with, um, offsite, offsite, I'm sorry,
▶ 18:50 Denise Gaffey: without offsite distribution. So those kinds of breweries that aren't large enough to be mass producing beer in order to ship it to locations outside of the establishment itself. So those kind of smaller establishments we feel will have comparable impacts to a restaurant. Therefore, in the zoning regulations as we propose the, we propose this use to be allowed in, um, in the same districts as restaurants are allowed. And that would have the same parking requirements, which is essentially, um, one parking space for every four seats in a restaurant. Um, we also, so these, these are allowed to be in, in the city's primarily, um, the city's business districts, also the smart growth district and the real corridor district.
▶ 19:43 Denise Gaffey: Um, since breweries also involve production, they're also proposed to be allowed in the industrial districts. Um, so again, with distribution, we think there's gonna be greater impacts in terms of truck trips and things of that nature. So we allow for that use, um, by special permit in the industrial districts. Um, actually we allow for that use by right in the industrial districts and by special permit in the BB one district. Um, the principal use of this industrial use is still to, um, produce and serve on the premises, um, to ensure that the brewery is providing a place for residents and patrons to visit as opposed to being a closed door operation. And we, we have really limited land and strict strictly, um,
▶ 20:29 Denise Gaffey: industrial use for production and distribution is not considered desirable. Um, I mentioned the parking requirement, one space for every four seats. And, um, I'll also mention that the Melrose Liquor Licensing Commission will be and is working on adopting liquor licensing regulations for the local issuance of farmers. Um, serv series, pouring permits, that's what they're called, which will be required for breweries to open. So this is just the next step in the process. And then beyond that, there will be the regulations that the liquor, um, licensing commission is, is working on. Um, there, they will be reviewing and deciding upon aspects of the op specific aspects of the operations of the businesses that will be covered by the license, um,
▶ 21:15 Denise Gaffey: as opposed to the zoning and regulation, which is really defining the use and, um, establishing where it's allowed and where it is not allowed. Um, so the zoning regulation really is spec specifically covers the location, the parking and the operations at a very high, high level. So, um, the specifics, again, it's a, it is very, um, it's very straightforward. There is the definition, which I've kind of just outlined with these, um, talking points and then the table of use in parking regulations. And you see if you have this in front of you that the, the table, um, illustrates we put next to the, um, restaurant use the, this, um, brewery without distribution. So you can see how they line up there.
▶ 22:01 Denise Gaffey: We allow for this use, um, by, right in the BA one districts, the BA two districts, the BB and BB one districts, and also the industrial and the industrial a i a district. And then, um, just like with restaurants allowed by special permit in the BD district, which is the medical district and in the very small BC district that we have. Um, and then you can see that the brewery with distribution, so the larger operations that are more impactful, um, would be allowed by Wright in the industrial districts and then by special permit in the BB one district. And that means there'd be a process in, in front of, um, in front of the permit granting board to review impacts at that time. Um, and that's pretty much an overview of the, of the zoning.
▶ 22:53 Mark Garipay: Happy to show you the, bring up the map if you think that's helpful to, to look at the drill down on some of the districts. Would you like to see that? Oh, okay. Yeah, we can do that for, for the audience as well. We can, we can pull that up and, um, happy to answer questions as well. Great. Thank you very much. Are there, um, any questions from the council, Councillor Gar And just wait for the map? Sure. Um, for the, I mean, I fully support this, uh, this change. I just have a question on BB one. Can restaurants go into BB one now or do they, or is that with a special permit? Um, the restaurant use yeah. Is allowed, um, by, right in the BB one. Okay. Um, for example, if someone had, um, set up a brewery downtown BA one mm-hmm.
▶ 23:51 Mark Garipay: And BB one set up for distribution, can they produce in warehouse in BB one and distribute from BB one? Like if they wanted to expand and grow It, um, they could with the special permit. Okay. So they could, they could bottle and as they grow, um, go over to BB one and, and, and distribute from there. And that, that would Work? Yes. Okay. Yes. That'll, the use would be allowed again, by a special permit? It would be reviewed. It would have, they'd have to receive that permit. Okay. Um, but yes, That's, uh, those are all my, uh, questions, I believe. Councillor, Karin Shady. Aye. Thank you so much for being here. And I'm not sure if this is a question for the planning board necess or for you,
▶ 24:34 Manjula Karamcheti: or if it's a question for Ms. Grimm. I'm just more curious, you know, as we, I'm in support of this as well, but I'm also, you know, thinking about as we expand our opportunities for more alcohol in Melrose, how has the health and human services department in Melrose been involved in conversations in terms of sort of thinking about those aspects of health and wellness, um, and making sure that as, you know, opportunities for breweries and alcohol increase that we're also sort of complimenting that with, um, prevention measures and intervention measures. And I'm also, I'm thinking about Ward One, which will likely be one of those spots. It's close to the hospital and, you know, we already have issues with, uh,
▶ 25:21 Denise Gaffey: police officers having to go to the hospital for in, for issues. And just kind of how is that fitting into all of this? Um, that's a great question. I think it, it would make sense with the, um, the licensing regulations that are being drafted to consult with the, the health department on, on any, on their, and get their input on what they think would be appropriate for hours of operations and things like that. Um, we did not, I did not consult with them as part of this, the zoning regulation, but I do think that that's a, that's a great point, and I can certainly pass that message along. Great. Thank you. That's it. Councillor Stewart. Thank You, Madam Chair. Thank you Ms. Gaffey for, for sharing this information.
▶ 26:07 Robb Stewart: It's very helpful. Um, do you have a, an idea of what the anticipated annual revenue will be, uh, for the city or for one of these establishments? I do not. I am, I'm, I did not do any research along those lines. Okay. Will you? I'd be happy to, yes. Sure. Great. And you had mentioned that the liquor regulations will be, um, dictating the, the terms of the operations. In other words, how late and what they have to do and how they manage. Uh, a lot of that. Uh, when, when will that be put together? I know they're working on them right now. Um, I, I think they're still meeting, they're kind of in the process of, um, completing them. I don't have a, I don't have a date and Okay. And I'm, I'm aware of when they'll be completed.
▶ 27:05 Denise Gaffey: Okay. And in the zoning areas that you have, um, put forth, have you looked at the number of locations that are actually suitable for one of these establishments? Um, so we've, we looked at the zoning districts that we thought were, were suitable. I mean, I think there's, there's quite a few locations in these districts I think we're allowing for the use. Mm-hmm. Um, in, in quite a few. Um, well, we have the map up there now, so you can see all of the, um, neighborhood commercial districts along the commuter rail station. Those are all, um, it would be an allowed use there. It'd be allowed use in the downtown area. Um, it would be allowed use in the ba um, sorry, the, the BB one, which is along the, in the bb, which is along the rail corridor. Mm-hmm.
▶ 27:54 And the area down on the south, um, side on the Oak Grove, um, village area. Okay. So there's, there's a lot of parcels where it would be allowed. Okay. And on the zoning, do you also dictate the, like the minimum maximum size of these establishments? Um, we do not, um, not, that's not, no, we decided to, um, that we would kind of control the, uh, size of the establishments through the distribution aspect. Okay. Okay. Great. And on the, on the licensing, that, that will then be established, like how many licenses that'll be established later within the Yeah, again, that would be something the liquor, the Liquor Licensing Commission is addressing. Okay. Great. Well, I have a lot of questions for them. Okay,
▶ 28:48 Maya Jamaleddine: Great. Thank you Madam Chair. Uh, Vice Chair Aldine. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you all for being with us today. Um, um, can you, Ms. Kathy, can you, uh, remind me of the communities that you've checked that they already implemented this? Um, I know we looked in, um, at Maldens regulations, we looked at, um, Medford's regulations, we looked at PEA's, regulations, Cambridge, we were kind of trying to look at communities around us. Mm-hmm. Those were a few. Um, and the reason why I'm asking is because I feel that sometimes in some orders or some decisions, we feel that we would look for those specific communities like Malden. And then when we choose other, when we, we are about to make other decision,
▶ 29:37 Maya Jamaleddine: we are like, no, we don't wanna be like Malden. So this is not something that, you know, um, it always crosses my mind, um, based on what we are checking into Malden now. And we decided that we wanted to, uh, probably be like Malden when in another, uh, well, We were, we were really just looking at, um, trying to collect as many examples as we could in the area around us, just to compare and contrast and see if we could glean some, um, some, you know, um, some learn from them, learn from their regulations and pick up pick pieces. Yeah. Um, Yeah. Thank you for doing that. I just wanted to name it that. Sure. It is, you know, it's, uh, I wanted to mention that, you know, Malden is, um, a good example that we can look into. Um,
▶ 30:27 Maya Jamaleddine: I guess I do have concerns about this, about this, uh, order, uh, before us, uh, personally, um, and I, I share the concern that consular Che just mentioned. I worry and I have received, uh, many concerns from residents about their concern about how much we are making this accessible for youth specifically, and for others that are, you know, probably, um, trying to, um, that they are, they do have those challenges. Um, it's just making it more accessible. So I do worry about this. Um, um, but also I was wondering if you have received any concerns directly from residents sharing, like that they would be mostly impacted by this decision? Um, we have not directly in the planning, um, department related to this,
▶ 31:27 Maya Jamaleddine: the zoning work that we're doing. Okay. Heard that. Okay. Well, thank you so much. I do, I do hope that, uh, we would have some, uh, communication with the health department to see how we can work with them or collaborate in terms of working together to control that and helping protecting our youth and our residents and be more, you know, like be able to hear them in a way, uh, when it comes to this decision. But I appreciate the work that you all doing. Yeah, No, that's a great, a great suggestion. Thank Any co any other counselor for the first time counselor, Carrum Shady for second. Hey, I, what this question came up for me when we were looking at the map, it just kind of popped into my head. And again,
▶ 32:16 Manjula Karamcheti: of course I'm thinking mostly of Ward one, but other areas too. Um, and thinking about like the railway corridor, and I'm thinking about spa places, like the early learning center and some of the schools just, um, what rules and regulations will be in place in terms of proximity. Um, and I ask because I think about breweries and I think of outdoors and like having fun and just how close will that be in proximity to the schools, especially like during the day and that kind of thing. Yeah. Um, so just sort of what, what are we thinking about in terms of that? Will there be specific like zoning around, like that piece of things? I'm also thinking about like the Lincoln School on Wyoming, that's part of the corridor.
▶ 33:05 Mark Garipay: Yeah. Yeah. Again, I think that's an excellent point. I I think that'll, that would be addressed by the, um, licensing commission. So I'm, I'm gonna make a note of that. I think passive information along too, and how they're, they're dealing with those kind of, um, you know, proximities to more vulnerable populations. Yeah. That's a great point. Great. Thanks Councilor. And then vice-chair Jamal? Um, sorry, just, uh, you know, as everyone keeps on asking questions, more things pop up into my head, but, uh, just regarding the food, and I'm assuming that's gonna be required by the liquor commission, right. The food requirement and, 'cause that's our current ordinance. Now that Is my understanding.
▶ 33:48 Mark Garipay: Um, I understand. Um, I, on premise, off premise, um, my concern would be more around, say food truck. Mm-hmm. If we're on Main Street, how are we gonna, I guess, more access. But I, so that's something we probably need to talk to the Liquor Commission to get more clarification on that. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that would be my only concern. Not that I'm against a food truck, but if you're parking a food truck on Main Street, um, coming in and out, you know? Right, Right. There might be a requirement for a permit or something. Just I would, yeah. Thank you. Good Point. Vice Chair, Maladin. Thank you. Um, Ms. Gaff, based on what was decided this, uh, zone specifically as, um, you know,
▶ 34:38 Denise Gaffey: like the BD specifically as to be, um, open for this So that the bd, um, is, is highlighted like that because it's, it's just colored. Um, all of the districts have a different color code. Is that No, I, I wonder, is it, is it going to be more focused on this area? Um, that's what I'm understanding. No, This is just a picture of the zoning map. Okay. So it's the, um, it doesn't actually illustrate, we brought it up just in case we wanted to talk about the different districts, but, um, the, um, the BD district is actually the medical district and that, and that actually would be, restaurants right now are only allowed by special permit in that district. Okay. So this use wouldn't be allowed in that district except with a special permit.
▶ 35:31 Denise Gaffey: Okay. So maybe I'm misunderstanding. So that specific zone mm-hmm. Is not gonna be more focused in a way No. To accept that Exactly. It's gonna be citywide. No, it is gonna be in the, it's, it's gonna be in the districts that are shown on the table. If you have a, a copy of the Yes. The table in front Of you. Yes. So, um, where it says p it, the use without distribution, so the smaller breweries that we're talking about would be allowed in the BA one, which is in the yellow district in the bottom there. Mm-hmm. That's mostly downtown. Okay. And then also the BA two, which is the three, um, commuter real station areas. Mm-hmm. And then, um, the BB one, which is, uh, uh, uh, yeah, Lori's pointing it out on the, with a cursor that's mostly along the spine Yeah.
▶ 36:22 Maya Jamaleddine: Of the commuter rail, so the rail. Okay. Yeah. And then also in the industrial districts, which are in the bottom, on the south in over in the corner Warner. So that's where the use, and it's again, where we allow for restaurant use, um, by, right. And it's, it's mostly if we are gonna talk, you know, statistically speaking, and based on your experience, it's mostly where there is more apartment buildings. Well, it's mostly where our, it, it is where our commercial activity occurs. So it's in our commercial districts. Yeah. Um, from my personal opinion, I feel this is where more, um, and my, and I, I may be totally wrong, but I feel that this is where mostly, um, apartment buildings and folks that are
▶ 37:18 Maya Jamaleddine: with, um, limited socioeconomic level probably, um, that, um, are mostly in those area zones. Um, so I would wanna, um, I hope that we, we open this, uh, the space more for those apartments because mostly those, uh, kind of hearings, uh, and those kind of decision don't get to, um, this population. Um, I worry that some of them probably never heard about this decision yet. Uh, and how much this is going to impact, um, their families and where they live. I personally live in this zone. Um, and I, I have those concerns. Um, it is just a thought that I, I hope that we take this into consideration as well. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions from the council? Um, um, just wanted to then touch on some points of clarification for, for me.
▶ 38:30 Leila Migliorelli: Um, I, so just to clarify the processes, we are, we are amending zoning to include for breweries in areas in which we already include. We already zone for restaurants that already serve alcohol. And that's, and then we are amending some zoning area, the zoning areas that are further away to allow, or not further away, but not necessarily in the center of town to allow for wholesale, um, transportation and, and distribution. Correct. Correct. I don't know if it would be helpful for next time for the council of just like a, this might be asking too much, but since the questions came up, but like the map itself, just highlighting which ones are the Yeah, we can do that. Sure. You know, the BA one,
▶ 39:15 Leila Migliorelli: just 'cause I don't think this is something everyone looks at all the time. Um, and then just questions about the process too for, so the council is aware, I, I know that this, uh, this meeting, we are holding this in committee, and, uh, please correct me if I'm wrong, Ms. Gaff. Mm-hmm. Um, we're not taking any action tonight. This is being held in committee until the planning board meets, submits their report. Um, that all has to be done within 21 days from today. Um, and then the appro, so this will be held in the meeting. Appropriations and oversight will vote on it then, and then we'll go to the full council for a final vote. Correct? That sounds correct. Yes. All right. Um, and the timing is pretty good.
▶ 39:56 Denise Gaffey: The planning board meets, um, in two, two weeks on the 28th. Yeah. Two weeks from tonight. So at that, at that meeting, they'll, um, discuss the con comments that were raised here tonight. And, um, consider whether any, consider whether any modifications should be made based on tonight's discussion or any other comments that we might receive. Um, and then issue the report to you and Exactly. I think it makes sense to keep it in committee, receive the report, discuss it again in committee, and then make your rec recommendation from there to the full council. Okay. Thank you. And the liquor licensing, that's, uh, just like all other businesses that are coming in, that's a separate process, separate timeline. City council does not vote on that.
▶ 40:41 Leila Migliorelli: That's just the liquor licensing. They have the authority to, to vote on that. Counselors may give as the public may give input or, um, you know, suggestions, feedback, whatever. But that's the purview of the Liquor Licensing Commission. I just wanna make sure everyone's clear as to what, what it's that we're Doing here. Right. And, and their meetings are, are public meetings and they are posted meetings, so people can certainly attend or submit comments to the, to that onboard in advance. Okay. Great. Councillor Repe. I'll make a motion to hold order. 2024 dash four Committee. Second. Motion to hold, made by Councillor Repe. Seconded by Councillor Eccles. Anyone on discussion? Councilor Stewart?
▶ 41:23 Robb Stewart: Thank you, Madam Chair. Just Madam Chair, your point of, uh, comment about how the Liquor Commission is a separate, separate process and may not, we may not have any input. I think a lot of their input will be contingent on how we will look at this, and I think it would be imperative to hear some of their decisions before we make our decision here. Otherwise, I'm not sure I can support this. Um, because I would like to know things such as, um, you know, how big they're gonna be. What are the hours, what are the requirements? What are the food requirements, what's the value to the c These, this is information. I think the work that, uh, Ms. Gaffey and her team has done to date is great. It's comprehensive from a zoning perspective, but there's a lot beyond that,
▶ 42:13 Leila Migliorelli: what she covers that I wanna know before I make this decision. So, um, I would suggest that we find some way to get that input before we make a final decision. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Councillor Stewart. All right. Motion on the table to hold in. Committee made by Councillor Repe, seconded by Councillor Eccles. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? This order will be held in committee and I, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. Motion to adjourn made by Councilor Repe. Second, A by Councilor Stewart. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? We're now adjourned. Thank you.