Appropriations & Oversight Committee — 2020-09-21
Attendance
Christopher Cinella ; Jack Eccles ; Mark Garipay ; Jen Grigoraitis ; Maya Jamaleddine ; Shawn M. MacMaster ; Jeff McNaught ; Leila Migliorelli ; Robb Stewart ; Cory Thomas ; John N. Tramontozzi
Agenda
- Call to Order
- Remote Meeting Information
- Public Comment
- Orders
- ORDER-2021-14 : An Appropriation in the amount of $243,285 from Capital Stabilization (account 84052-590000) to Public Works Equipment (account 019313-551002) to purchase a new street sweeper.
- ORDER-2021-20 : An appropriation from the Rideshare Special Revenue Fund (#2921) in the amount of $37,965.80. These funds will be used to help address various road and sidewalk projects.
- Adjournment
Minutes
CITY OF MELROSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE CALENDAR● SEPTEMBER 21, 2020 Web-based remote meeting Committee Meeting 7:15 PM , Melrose, MA 02176 The public should take notice that the Melrose City Council may, on certain occasions, have a quorum in attendance due to standing committees of the City Council consisting of both voting and non-voting members. Members attending this duly posted meeting are participating and deliberating only in conjunction with the business of the standing committee. Attendee Name Title Status Arrived Christopher Cinella Chair Present Leila Migliorelli Vice Chair Present John N. Tramontozzi Voting Present Shawn M. MacMaster Voting Present Jeff McNaught Voting Present Jack Eccles Voting Present Mark Garipay Voting Present Robb Stewart Voting Present Cory Thomas Voting Present Maya Jamaleddine Voting Present Jen Grigoraitis President, ex oficio Present
ORDER-2021-14 Appropriation An Appropriation in the amount of $243,285 from Capital Stabilization (account 84052-590000) to Public Works Equipment (account 019313-551002) to purchase a new street sweeper. Recommend Passage City Council
ORDER-2021-20 Appropriation An appropriation from the Rideshare Special Revenue Fund (#2921) in the amount of $37,965.80. These funds will be used to help address various road and sidewalk projects. Recommend Passage Appropriations Committee City of Melrose Page 1 Updated 10/2/2020 9:59 AM
Transcript
▶ 0:01 Christopher Cinella: All right so I'm recording. Good evening, welcome to the Appropriations Committee. I am the Chair, Councillor Cinella. The date is September 21st and time is 7.16 and pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12th, 2020 order, suspending certain provisions of the Open Meeting Law in the Governor's March 15th, 2020 order, Posing strict limitation on the number of people that they gather in 1 place. This meeting of the appropriations committee will be conducted via remote participation to the greatest extent possible. We will post an audio or video recording transcript. Or other comprehensive record of these proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting on the website. And on mtv3.org, Madam clerk, please call me.
▶ 0:49 Yeah, vice chair. Yeah, Council of Tram and. Yeah, Councilor McMaster. Um, leave, I see him. Council, I'm not. Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah. Council of care concert Stewart. Councilor Thomas? Here. Councilor Jamaleddine? I don't see you at this moment. And President Grigoraitis? Here. 10 present. Great. At this time I will entertain a motion for public comment. Motion for public comment. Second. Who just said that? Raise your hand. Okay. Motion made to open public comment by Councilor Stewart, seconded by Councilor McNaught. Madam Clerk, please call the roll. Chair Cinella. Yes. Vice Chair Migliorelli. Yes. Councilor Tramontozzi. Yes. Councilor McMaster. Yes. Councilor McNaught. Yes. Councilor Eccles.
▶ 2:02 Yes. Councilor Garipay. Yes. Councilor Stewart. Yes. Councilor Thomas. Yes. Councilor Cinella is not here yet. And President Grigoraitis? Yes. Okay, let me look at the room. I see, oh, there's Councilor Jamaleddine. I'm gonna make her a panelist. Let's see if this works. Councilor Jamaleddine, can you hear us? Yes, thank you. All right, so there are no, anyone in the meeting would like to make a comment, a public comment, please raise your virtual hand. I just see DPW Director Perakis Ellis and an additional member. No one's raising their hand. motion to close public comment motion to close public comment by councillor stewart seconded by councillor mcnaught chair sanella yes vice chair Migliorelli yes councillor Tramontozzi yes councillor mcnaught
▶ 3:05 Christopher Cinella: faster mcmaster excuse me yes councillor mcnaught yes councillor eccles yes councillor Garipay yes counselor stewart yes counselor thomas yes councilor maladin president Grigoraitis yes 11 yes all right so we have uh first order of this evening order 2021-14 an appropriation the amount of two hundred and forty three thousand two hundred and eighty five dollars from the capital stabilization account eight four zero five two dash five nine zero zero zero zero to public works equipment account zero one nine three one three dash five five one zero zero two to purchase a new street sweeper i believe we have uh lana with us tonight but i'll entertain a motion to suspend the rules motion to suspend the rules second motion to suspend the rules made by
▶ 4:10 president Grigoraitis seconded by councillor mcnaught chairman sanella yes vice chair migliorelli yes councillor Tramontozzi yes councillor mcmaster yes councillor mcnaught yes councillor eccles yes Council of yes, sir. Stuart. Yes. Councilor Thomas. Yes. President Grigoraitis. Yes, under suspension of rules, shall I bring in miss practice? Ellis please. Can you hear us? Oh, there we go. I can hear you. Can you hear me? We can. Yes, the screen is all yours. Thank you for coming. Okay, thank you. So, as you saw in the memo that I submitted at the beginning of August, and then in the follow up information that I submitted more recently at the end of last week, the city is in need of a new street sweeper.
▶ 5:20 And we are requesting this out of the capital stabilization fund. This was the recommendation from CFO auditor Patrick Della Russo as to the best funding source for this piece of equipment. I'll just give you a brief synopsis and a little bit of updated information. So we, we're required by our federal stormwater permit to sweep all streets in Melrose twice per year. Once in the spring, once in the fall, and then, in addition to that, we sweep all summer on typically on Fridays for the full day. We sweep all the main roads. Um, the, when I 1st, prepared the memo, uh, I usually written a memo to mayor broader. That indicated that our cost to sweep 1. Pass through the whole city per our contracted sweeping.
▶ 6:13 Was roughly 28,000 dollars, but right at the end of at the beginning of July, we entered into a new contract. Because we had to re, bid that we re, bid every 3 years, provided that we're happy with our contractor. We keep their contract for the full 3 years and then we re, bid and so our new price as of July. 1st was 36,502 dollars. For 1 season of sweeping the entire city, so I just wanted to update that 28,000 number. I just hadn't caught that from the time I wrote the initial memo to mayor Broder requesting a funding source for this item. Which I then carried over into the memo. I sent you all on August 4th. I forgot that we had entered into a new contract. So, by that logic, we, we would be spending.
▶ 7:08 Over 70,000 dollars just for the fall and spring sweeping. And then I did calculate at the hourly rate another roughly $12,600 to sweep in the summer to do the main drags based on the contracted hourly rate. So right now, we contract out the fall sweeping. It needs to be done between when the leaves fall and when the snow falls. And so that's a pretty tight time frame. and with our one sweeper we would never be able to get through the whole city the debris load the volume of debris is much higher in the fall and um and we would have trouble keeping up with it we do have a truck that goes out with the sweeper um to offload the sweepings when necessary but it would just be a huge job for us to do entirely in-house
▶ 8:02 which is why we bid the annual contract and we contract out for the fall. The spring is a lower volume and we're able to spend, we spend about two days in every precinct, whereas the contracted sweeper spends about one day per precinct. They send out two sweepers for that one day. So the spring is much more manageable for us. There's also a little bit more Wiggle room in terms of, we can start sweeping when the, when the weather starts to get warmer and then when we know it's not going to snow anymore. And there's not really a hard end date to that. It's not like in the fall when the snow is going to start and we have to be done. So, so that's our typical sweeping schedule. If we were to just account for what we do in house right now.
▶ 8:52 And we were to do that work with the contracted sweeper, it would be just under 50,000 dollars per year. So, the proposed sweeper will pay for itself. Within the 1st, 5 years that we have it. 1 other thing I wanted to add 1, small bit of information that I didn't have when I put the memo together on Friday, but I was able to get today. Were the specifics of the accident that the sweeper had in June. I knew a lot about what. Occurred from a, from a layman standpoint, but I didn't know. I just knew it was break failure, but I learned today the details of that. So I wanted to share that with you. Our mechanic described to me that there is a temperature sensor that is supposed to. Shut down the equipment if it overheats and just due to the age and the level of corrosion on just the equipment as a whole, this temperature sensor.
▶ 9:49 Basically surge and started to burn up itself along with the cable that the electrical cable that comes from it that wire burned. And so, as soon as that happened, so the machine was not overheating, but the temperature sensor, when it had this surge, it. itself overheated, caused the equipment to shut down. So it killed the motor. And then when our operator tried to slam on the brakes, having lost any power braking, he slammed on the brakes to try to keep himself from rolling downhill. And the master cylinder in the brake system couldn't withstand the sudden hitting of the brakes in that manner. And then that blew apart, blew the brake lines right off brake fluid came out um and then that that's how he was left with
▶ 10:42 no brakes and rolling downhill and as i mentioned um certainly in the patch article and i think also in one of the memos he very skillfully managed to um back up he was going downhill backwards and managed to back up into an uphill driveway to break the momentum and then came to a stop but unfortunately did hit a rock wall on the corner of somebody's property and did some damage. So it was somewhat of a catastrophic failure. It wasn't just a simple, you know, brakes weren't working. And our mechanic has said this is the type of thing that has been happening with the sweeper and why we've been giving it so much repair attention in the last couple of years. and he feels it is unequivocally beyond its useful life.
▶ 11:37 Cory Thomas: I answered a whole lot more questions in the memo that I submitted on Friday, but I'm not going to bother going through those specifically unless you have questions. I don't want to spend too much time going over and over the ins and outs of the sweeper. Thank you. In the queue, I have Thomas and Stuart. Did I miss anybody at this time? Vice Chair. Okay. Okay. I'll take it. I got it. Also, Thomas, thank you. Mr. Chairman director. Nice to see you. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you for that. Very informative memo as well. So, was this with this spring was their street sweeping done. In the springtime yes, and I'm trying to remember the extent of it. We don't get the full rounds. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but they get the full rounds of spring.
▶ 12:35 Cory Thomas: Let me check 1 thing. If you have other questions, if you want to go ahead and ask them, I just want to see, I had. The schedules, and I also have the documentation from what we did and didn't do in coven. And it's, it's a blur at this point because there was so much going on. Sure, and I can check those while we're talking. Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you. The tomorrow's the 1st day of fall typically on average, how late does the street sweeping in the fall go until. You know, and we've already missed for 4 weeks of it. I assume in September. It usually is more October November timeframe, because we want to wait till the leaves have fallen. Um, what would the, what is the turnaround if we order this now? What is the turnaround?
▶ 13:30 Uh, for delivery, like, when we take occupancy of this. I, I don't have an exact turn around, but I remember it being fairly. Quick, it would be presumably it would be in time for our false. Well, I guess we aren't doing our fall sweeping. We're, we're contracting that out, but. But I was told that it was something we would get fairly quickly. I don't remember the exact number of weeks, but it was. You know, on the order of a month or 2, not 6 months. Okay, and then that the quote of 243,285. Was that the only quote we got and that's for brand new street sweeper. So, C and wood is the local representative for Elgin and and the Elgin Pelican sweepers are. Sort of the standard, the industry standard, so that is the only quote that we got, but they are.
▶ 14:25 Um, as far as I understand, they're the only dealer of new Elgin sweepers in our area. Okay, and they are, you know, I'm sorry they are under the source. Well, contract, which is we're a member of the source. Well, um, system. So that counts as as being procured through the state procurement processes. So that's a competitively bid price through the source well contract. Okay. And then lastly, are there any certified pre-owned street sweepers out there on someone's lot nearby that we could possibly look at? So I was just joking with someone the other day. Street sweepers are not something that you're going to get, you know, the grandma who drove the low mileage sweeper that you could pick up from the local used car dealer.
▶ 15:16 But what I was told by our mechanic who has a lot of experience in this area is that typically the used street sweepers are the ones that have been owned by companies like Millennium and American and the various contractors that we've had. and they sell them off when they're in that six, seven-year timeframe, which is right after the warranty ends and right before all the big stuff starts breaking. And he just advised very strongly against buying a used sweeper. You will notice in the attachments that I had, I thought it was interesting that Millennium's required to show their stock list or their equipment list, and they have i believe 25 sweepers and the vast majority of them are for are from 2014 forward
▶ 16:05 and there were a handful that were older probably refurbished models but i think that's pretty telling that you know that's about when they sell them off and um that's what we did the last time around and and we did end up with a sweeper that required a lot of um repair over the years of components that were just rusting out and corroding okay thank you um were you able to find that information about this what was done in the springtime yeah um sorry i i just about had it and then i started looking at something else that you asked about um okay so looking at our um spring operations when we were down really to the minimal staffing levels We were not, we did not consider the sweeper to be an essential service that was starting on April 6th.
▶ 17:29 Prior to that, from March 18th to April 6th, when we had alternating shifts of half of our operations staff. On 2 days a week, and the other half 3 days a week on a rotating schedule, we did have the operator of the street super as 1 of the. folks who was working those days so there was most likely sweeping done a couple days a week during that time but it doesn't appear that we had our usual full schedule but um i do want to check one other thing before i definitively say that was the other work contracted out or was it just not completed so after the failure um oh okay i am entirely incorrect on may 26th we started sweeping so maybe a little later than we usually do we swept from june 1st to july 13th and the um so the sweeper when it had its failure i believe
▶ 18:34 Robb Stewart: that was june 18th and then we contracted out the remainder after that okay all right thank Thank you very much for all the information you provided. Okay. No problem. Let's do it. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Ms. Farrakhan-Salas for being here tonight. I appreciate the patience and all the information that you did provide prior to this meeting that was helpful. I will be candid. I believe that the 243K that you provide as an estimate for the cost is a gross underestimate of um the true cost of the vehicle because it does not account for um anything beyond day one which includes uh gas service repairs the hours that it takes to service and repair this um have you looked into that at all so those costs are all captured
▶ 19:27 in our operating budget because we have a fleet budget that was was able to encompass the report pairs to the existing sweeper and so with a new vehicle we would be spending less than we are now and so if we were able to cover the existing vehicle repairs in our operating budget presumably we'd be able to cover these also there's a five-year warranty on parts and labor on this new proposed sweeper so that would be covered there so they take care of all of that they can't take care of all that but any of the fuel costs you know replacing fluids routine maintenance that's all rolled into our our fleet operating budget within dpw i don't have that off the top of my head roughly what is that like on an annual basis our total fleet budget all right
▶ 20:18 if you give me another couple seconds i will have that okay um so our total fiscal 21 budget for the entire fleet division is four hundred ninety five thousand two hundred ninety seven dollars um a hundred eighty three thousand of that is salaries and wages and three hundred eleven thousand is um supplies and materials of which 140 000 is gas and oil and then the remainder is parts tires welding supplies batteries tools and hardware um and then we have some separate line items within there for specific to school vehicles and police vehicles right and so and labor is part of the cost of maintaining that 183 that you mentioned the 183 is our salaries and wages which is 177 and um over time which is a little over six thousand
▶ 21:33 Okay. When you got the bid from Mr. Ross and his company for the three-year contract that you mentioned, did you receive any other bids? Yes, we received a bid from American who was actually our former. Sweeping company that was that was 1 of our competitively bid on call contracts. So that appears. In the central register in the state publication for bids, it appears in 2 newspapers. It appears on combines the state's bid website and then is posted on the city's website and in city hall. So that went through a full procurement process, and we received bids from just the two companies, I believe, and I can tell you what the results were of that if you're interested. We had the total bid cost for Millennium was $73,004.
▶ 22:48 Robb Stewart: So that encompasses spring, fall, plus a number of hourly hours. That's how we do the bid. And then the other price was $75,100. So very, very tight bids there, comparable prices. Good. Okay. And so we have, we currently have one operating sweeper and the other one is going to be out of commission. Is that correct? No, we only have, we only own one sweeper in-house and it is the one that's out of commission. okay it could be potentially put back on the road again but it's you know we feel at this point it's a danger um in its present condition understood understood uh at this time mr chair um i do want to express my opinion uh to you uh i believe that this is an opportunity to examine outsourcing uh as part of the strategy of the city um i always get concerned about
▶ 24:00 Robb Stewart: when we capitalize a fairly complex piece of equipment for fairly limited use to me even though the expense seems high i think it's an ideal opportunity for us to rid that responsibility because as you know short-sighted yeah it looks great the first couple of years but five six years from now we're in the same position where we either going to need to buy another one whereas when you outsource you have a very consistent well-known cost that is manageable and able to be easily predicted and it takes a lot of the risk and responsibility away from the town for example the break situation which i know is an unusual situation with a very old piece of equipment but thank goodness for the driving skill of the operator if that had gone differently and that it hit a house
▶ 24:58 Robb Stewart: or a person or something like that that would have bared the full responsibility of the city and that would have been i think my my uh opinion a very big concern um the the risk is um i think mitigated when you have professionals that are doing this every single day on equipment that that you expect to be standard up to date. And I think that in this situation, it warrants the cost of the 72K per year. If there's an issue with any of the sweeping that's done in the streets, you can always go to the contractor and ask them to do it again. It's their responsibility. They'll be working on objectives and results. And that, I think, is a big advantage. Likewise, if there's any unforeseen instances or issues with the equipment, we don't have to bear the responsibility for that. So there's no risk there.
▶ 25:57 Leila Migliorelli: So, it's my opinion that this is something that I think we should seriously consider. Looking at the option of outsourcing this as opposed to acquiring capital equipment. Thank you. Mr. chair. And thank you for this, I appreciate your perspective. Thank you. Vice Chair Migliorelli. Thank you, Chairman Sinella. Thank you, Ms. Paray-Casellas, for being here tonight and providing all the information you had ahead of time to us. And first off, I'd like to, you know, kind of echo the scary situation on June 18th. It's, you know, thankful that it turned out as well as it did. It could have been much worse, which obviously points to a need to getting a new vehicle in-house potentially. So I just have
▶ 26:44 Leila Migliorelli: a few questions um so in terms of timing if we have if we outsourced in the fall we need this now because is there any particular reason why we need to purchase this now versus purchasing it in this for next spring when we would be starting up again so we use our sweeper all the time um for for small jobs if we have you know construction that we've done if we've done um like right now Now we're doing some fixing a water leak on Pleasant Street. When that is complete, we would typically take the sweeper out and clean up any debris. There's a lot of work that our own crews do in-house that requires clean up, and that is our piece of equipment for cleaning up. Contractors typically have a combination of different types of brooms that go
▶ 27:34 on smaller pieces of equipment or hand brooms and all sorts of things. hand brooms don't do a really a final job they just blow the stuff from one place to another but you know this is our one piece of equipment for cleaning up sites when we need to or cleaning parking lots um we do get requests and and we use it to fulfill those requests so certainly um having that on hand is a big benefit to us and any in my mind any money that we spend even just to bring somebody in on an hourly rate for a day at you know eight hundred dollars um is is money lost because i i so strongly believe that this is equipment that we should own in-house um so to delay the purchase just is just money that we're going to spend on other
▶ 28:31 Leila Migliorelli: people doing the work when we could be putting that toward the purchase of the equipment and and um having the equipment in-house thank you you actually answered my second question which was what's the benefit of having an in-house um street sweeper versus contracting out so that's that's helpful to know that um in your eyes it would add additional cost it's not you know just the 76 000 i think you said um it would that's just for a city-wide sweep is it my correct for a season versus if you needed one on a regular basis for the you know projects and things you you just mentioned, right? Yeah, so it's 36,500 for one sweep of the city. And the 73,000 is just the total bid price, which includes spring, fall,
▶ 29:17 and then an allocation for disposal of sweepings and for some hourly rate work. So that was just, you know, in order to obtain competitive bids, we have to put some units in the bid form to allow them to bid on. So that's what the 76,000 or 73,000 is, but the 36,000 is the cost of 1 pass through the city, whether that be fall or spring. So, the 73 does not include some of the things that that's just a number you had to throw out. It's like a baseline and it would not include those additional things. Like, if someone asked you to clean up a site or parking lot or something like that, is that factored into that or not factored into it? No. So, the hourly, the, the hours that were put into the bid form for the purpose of competitive bidding does not include the number of hours. It takes us to do all the main drags and parking lots in the summer.
▶ 30:13 So, those Friday cleanings that we do, I just calculated 16 weeks at 99 dollars an hour. Would be an additional 12,000 dollars. So that's a lot more hours than we had in the contract because we know we don't typically use those hours. So it's always a. just a process to figure out when you're doing a competitive bid, you have to decide what you want to include in that bid in order to get competitive pricing. The reason we include fall and spring in the bid document is because if something happens to our sweeper and we need to go back, let's say they only give us a price for spring or fall and we ask for a price for the other season, well, they could throw some crazy markup on it by saying, You know, this is different than what we bid on. So, so we try to have a unit cost to cover any possible scenario in that contract, but it's not reflective of our total usage of a sweeper for the entire year.
▶ 31:10 That makes sense. Yeah, that's helpful. And then the useful life of street sweeper. Did I read correctly? That it's 20 years and we've had this 1 for 16 or is it 1010 is what I've been told is the recommended useful life. And so, and like I mentioned, you can see in the list from our contractor of their fleet, they have most of their equipment. I believe it was 19 out of their 25 pieces of equipment were from the last 10 years. So that's, and even more so, most of them were 2017, 18, 19. That's the typical lifespan. We got way more than the typical lifespan out of this sweeper, but I would say that also speaks to just the quality of the mechanics that we have in-house and that we're able to work on that type of equipment because our lead mechanic did come from working on that type of equipment at his prior jobs.
▶ 32:09 So, I would hope that if we purchased a new sweeper, we would be able to keep it on the road for upwards of 15 years, just because we're not driving it with the frequency that millennium is driving theirs. And if we're starting with something new, and we maintain it the way you should maintain something. You know, I'm hoping it, it can be used for more than that 10 years closer to 15. And as I said before, it would pay for itself in five years by not having to contract out that extra work. So then we would have another five to 10 years, 10 to 15 year lifespan to to reap the benefits of not having to pay. Just like when your own car mortgages paid off. OK, thank you so much. That's it for me. OK, thank you.
▶ 33:03 Mark Garipay: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Ellis, for being here. I'm more than anyone talks about the cleanliness of the streets in the community. But however, I'd like to make sure that all the options have been explored in this purchase, whether it's new, used, outsourcing, or repairing the current sweeper. I'd like to discuss a couple of them. Based on the information that was provided last Friday, it was noted that the city currently, and we talked about it tonight, currently has a third party that does the fall street cleaning. The city performs the spring cleanup and the main drags. You mentioned after the spring cleanup through the fall season every Friday, and then any storm cleanup or extras,
▶ 34:01 Mark Garipay: Victorian fair, stuff like that. When I took a look at the spring sweeping schedule that was provided, you had 24 days scheduled to complete the project. I looked at it as 16 days of work between the end of spring and the fall, which you had mentioned I think earlier, that's about right. If you take that amount of days times eight hours a day, and then I was looking at the bid, they had 40 hours for special events. We're looking at 360 hours over 40 hours a week. We're talking nine weeks of use. I know you said we use it more. So let's just say it's 12 weeks of use during the year. That's 25% of a year for a piece of equipment that's costing us $243,000. And I personally would prefer to do something different with $23,000 for a piece of equipment that may be used year-round, have dual application, could be a dump truck, could be used as a plow truck in the winter.
▶ 35:12 Mark Garipay: 25, even if it's 30, 35% of the time, I think it's a pretty large number. I understand the cost of the sweeper is the cost. But the card sweeper we have now, you had mentioned, was a 2004 model purchased in 2011, and we purchased that for $70,000. I believe this scenario, this financial model works. We approved it. We used one. I know cost of maintenance is going to go up as a vehicle gets old. Also, in the memo, and you've talked about it tonight, that companies like our third-party contract, the Millennium, they trade these, they use these on a daily basis, and they trade them in for different reasons. There are many different reasons why companies have specific fleet aging schedules when trading in equipment.
▶ 36:14 Mark Garipay: one being is there still a financial value within their company to trade that in at that time whether it's tax purposes when they're buying new equipment depreciation uh writing it writing it all off there are there are tax purposes another one maybe because it still has useful life but not for their application the amount of hours a week they're working our application is probably 25 of what their application is so i think i think we i think a used vehicle if you take if you take the used vehicle that we purchased the current sweeper we're trying to replace as you mentioned was seven years old we ran it nine years almost the total life of a new one 16 years are we gonna are we gonna get 16 years out of another new one probably not but if you're saving if you're saving
▶ 37:05 Mark Garipay: a hundred and fifty thousand in in in capital um then we can get a used one i think that's an avenue we should take a hard look at um i understand as i mentioned that the cost to maintain all the equipment goes up over time um i went through the paperwork that you had sent out and that looked like it was just outside repairs um on the fixes um there were some quotes from American Sweeping, CNN Wood, and there was about $7,000 that I had added up over the last two and a half years. And a third of those repairs were for brushes, it said, which I assume is wear and tear. The brushes are, I'm assuming, what's getting the curbs in the back of it that's taking the dirt and pushing it back up into the hopper.
▶ 37:54 Mark Garipay: But I would assume based on that paperwork that that was, those are wear and tear items. I also understand that we perform work in-house, preventive maintenance, brakes, tires, greasing on the equipment, but whether we purchase a new or used one, that maintenance is going to have to be done. So, you know, I want to look at all options. I think a used one we really need to take a hard look at. I think if we can save some save some money um if we had a model that worked they bought purchased a used one in the last nine years for seventy thousand dollars um another option that i believe that needs to be looked at uh thoroughly is is outsourcing the yearly sweeping contract to a third party when you factor in the cost of 243
▶ 38:45 Mark Garipay: 000 if we even kept that new one for 13 years we're looking at about a cost of 18 500 annually Then you take into consideration, if you're comparing keeping it in-house or outsourcing, you take in the cost of the driver's salary while it's using, the hourly cost of fuel, the cost to maintain the sweeper per hour while it's running. With the savings and efficiency by redeploying that employee to another department, these are all high costs that should be taken into consideration when we're doing a study like this and we're looking to purchase a piece of equipment for $243,000. dollars. The council a few months back voted to allocate a half a million dollars of free cash back into the capital stabilization fund after the
▶ 39:38 Mark Garipay: purchase of the fire truck. I'm assuming the goal for the administration going forward would be to continue this practice and try to carry the same balance. I also believe that next year's free cash, which we've used to replace the stabilization fund, is not going to be what we experience this year. I'm not here to add extra work or try to add extra work, but I believe it makes sense to take a step back and explore all these options that are available. By thoroughly looking at these options, we can probably reduce or even eliminate the amount of money that we need to transfer out of this capital stabilization fund and maintain a balance where we may need to not need to dedicate more free cash next year uh i'm not i'm not against doing something with a sweeper i just want to make sure
▶ 40:28 Jen Grigoraitis: all options were considered uh before we go out and spend 243 000 on it such a large purchase thank you thank you thank you chairman snella and thank you ms pray casales for being here first i I just want to echo Councilor Migliorelli and just say how happy I am to hear that this accident did not end any way more seriously than it did. And thank you to the employee for his skill and his cool in what must have been a terrifying situation to prevent this from being something tragic. So please bring that back to your department. I just had two quick questions. The 1st, as I know a couple of times, the question around contracting out for this work has come up and my understanding is that the recommendation of Mr.
▶ 41:20 Della Russo with the pay for this purchase through the capital stabilization fund. I'm assuming we wouldn't be able to use those funds for contracting because this would no longer be a capital. Project correct? Yes. there is not so we would need that 50 000 approximately per year um i think um in counselor Garipay is adding up of hours and such in terms of how much it would cost us um what's missing in there is a lot of the disposal costs and the the cost as bid to provide the services that we currently provide in-house is 49 000 give you the exact number um $49,174 per year, and that does not include any special events, any construction sweeping, anything else of that nature. So just to do the spring sweeping and the summer Fridays is that $49,000 and change.
▶ 42:29 That is an actual bid price. There's no question that that's what it would cost. As I said, it was competitively bid. It went out to every contractor who does this work in the area, and those are the bid prices that we have. And that was the low bidder. So that is a definitive cost. And the, you know, so the five-year payback on the investment is also an accurate number. That doesn't require any further looking. and so it is uh uh auditor del russo's opinion that the capital stabilization fund is the appropriate um source of these funds uh we don't have that 50 000 a year budgeted in the operating budget thank you um and then my last question is while we're talking about adding a new vehicle to
▶ 43:31 Jen Grigoraitis: So the fleet, we as a city have made a commitment to net zero emissions by 2050. We've been purchasing electric vehicles for the police and fire departments back since I think 2015. I'm assuming I know the answer to this question of how the cost of an electric street sweeper compares to a regular one, but just given our pledge to really move for that as a city, I wanted to know if you had explored the possibility of an electric street sweeper. Yes, we absolutely did. I was really excited when Martha Grover sent me some specs on on electric sweet street sweepers that have just come on the market. And so we did solicit pricing on those and they run around 800,000 dollars. So that was very disappointing. I thought, oh, maybe if it's a little bit more and we do the cost benefit analysis that the savings on fuel are offset by the additional capital cost. But obviously it's not even close.
▶ 44:28 Jack Eccles: So I guess that's not going to be where we save our fuel. We'll have to go for, you know, more electric or hybrid vehicles in the arenas where they have been around longer and the pricing has come down. I think this is relatively new and so still relatively expensive. That makes sense. And I appreciate that you looked into it and hopefully the technology will catch up and the demand will drop the prices in future years. Those are all my questions. Thank you. Okay, thank you thank you. Mr chairman. Thank you for being here. Um, I had just just a few questions. So, um, 1 being, you know, kind of speaking of the cost benefit analysis. Would there be any way to kind of disaggregate the fleet wide costs to say, okay, this is the.
▶ 45:21 Jack Eccles: Annual operating cost attributed to sweet street sweeping and theoretically that plus the debt service on the street. Sweeper should be able to kind of allow us to make an assessment as to like, a true assessment as to what. Is more worthwhile I understand that that doesn't account for the years where the debt is paid off and we're using it. That's that's obviously something that would be advantageous. On the other end, is there any kind of approximate. So I tried to gather information on the level of effort that we're spending on maintaining the existing equipment, which is very much disproportionate with other equipment that we own. We have spent countless hours trying to refabricate pieces of the existing sweeper in order to keep it running.
▶ 46:13 and and and this is the basis on which our lead mechanic is saying um he he did explore some used options and said you know i saw what they had on the lot at cn wood and i wouldn't go anywhere near this equipment um you know he was saying that that it would be similarly time um time intensive to maintain uh his description was that you know just by nature of this equipment by what it's doing, it's spraying water up into a lot of hard to reach crevices in the equipment. It's spraying dirt up into those areas. And no matter how much you clean these things, the debris accumulates and eventually corrodes. And it's just the nature of this equipment that it's very hard to keep it clean. But just to put it in perspective, our fleet, our mechanics who consist of one lead
▶ 47:07 mechanic, one regular mechanic and one junior mechanic, maintain 145 pieces of equipment in our fleet. And this includes school vans, police vehicles, the fire vehicles that are not the fire trucks, so some of the cars, and then all of our DPW vehicles, some of the rec department vehicles and then all of our winter maintenance equipment plows and such um and then the um i believe this also includes some of our larger like uh ride on mowers and things um well it includes tractors and it includes um uh back hose and the like which i don't think it includes the mowers it doesn't include the small engines so in addition to that they maintain engines for mowers and snow blowers and chainsaws and and you know all sorts of pieces of small
▶ 48:15 equipment so when when our lead mechanic says that the time it takes to maintain you a used street sweeper is disproportionate with the benefit of of a used sweeper um while i don't have the number of hours that he spent on that particular piece of equipment this year um and all i had were those those receipts for the purchase of the parts um you know i have to trust that a mechanic with 30 years of experience um knows that that is not a worthwhile endeavor given the workload and the staffing level um you know and and this decision was also this recommendation was made before i started by um uh rick stinson he's the one who who went out and solicited that quote that we do have or he requested it um and then peter peter antonio
▶ 49:12 solicited it and then prior to that when john shena was here he also recommended a new sweeper rather than he used one and put that cost into his five-year capital plan for fleet replacement You know, I'm coming in new and have gathered a ton of information on this topic, but I also have to trust that the two past directors who had a combined 20 plus years of experience as DPW directors were making an educated assessment when they also concluded that a new piece of equipment was the way to go. So, hearing that from them and from our lead mechanic, you know, it's hard to make a really dollar-for-dollar assessment when you don't have labor costs tracked, but that's the basis of my information.
▶ 50:05 Jack Eccles: Thanks a lot. Yeah, I wouldn't dispute the recommendation for the used versus new. I think that makes a pretty good amount of sense. More what I was trying to get at in if you know, that's fine. not we can move on just about kind of comparing the hourly operating non-maintenance versus that cost versus a third-party service okay so if i were to take those same hours um so if i were to assume eight hours a day times 23 days i think it was of sweeping that we do that's 184 hours And if I used a typical labor rate of maybe a fully loaded rate of, say, $50 an hour, which is high, actually, I'd go a little lower, maybe $45 an hour, including benefits and everything, that's $8,200. dollars so you know maybe that um maybe that 49 000 really becomes 40 000 a year once you subtract
▶ 51:17 Jack Eccles: out the freeing up of that employee for that number of hours does that answer yep yeah absolutely thank you um i guess my other just trying to get a handle on things so we have the friday sweeping and then we talked a little bit about the special projects as being one of the main benefits of having something in-house um can we do we have like an account of how frequent that is or what the utilization is for for non-routine um kind of use of the street sweeper yeah i would say i would say once a week there's something else that we want to send the sweeper out to sweep um whether it be for events or um construction or just an area or storm damage storm cleanup or just an area where we've gotten complaints um yeah that would be that would be my guess
▶ 52:18 Jack Eccles: is about once a week okay awesome and then i guess my other question and you might not be able to speak to this just because i know that you know you joined after this was publicized but kind of And if you have any ideas to why this wasn't included in, like, the capital improvement plan that comes up every year. I know, I know that obviously we had that accident, so maybe that contributed to the urgency. So, yeah, good. So it's interesting. We John and I had developed this 5 year capital improvement plan for fleet. And that was not included that was not rolled into the. And I was involved with the process, but only as much as I was asked to pull together specific projects that were more engineering division related at the time.
▶ 53:05 But I don't believe any of the fleet capital plan was included in that. C. I. P. exercise and I believe it was because. Patrick della Russo had different plans to fulfill those needs. And and I know his plan initially, when I talked to him about this need for the street sweeper was free cash and I know in the last few years. Free cash has been the source from for water vehicles and sewer vehicles from the enterprise funds and for. Vehicles from the general fund has been used to fulfill those those needs now why he wouldn't have had them included in the. can't speak to that but i think you know maybe he just deemed that there would be these other more likely funding sources um not that free cash can't be used for the cip projects but
▶ 54:02 yeah that's that's the best information i have thanks a lot okay thank you i don't have anybody else in queue did i miss anybody a councilman mcnaughton just as a reminder we have to gavel in city council in five minutes I'll be really quick. Just had a couple of questions. Thank you. Mr. Chairman. I can. I just said, I think just 2 questions. The delivery of the vehicle where the machine that would be that all. But take about 2 months. See, is that correct? That was, I recall. I'm hearing that this would not be a long lead time item. But I can't remember the exact number of weeks, but I guess I was just saying, it's on the order of, you know. Weeks and not 6 months. Okay. So we would be able to use it for the fall clean up.
▶ 54:58 Well, so 1 way or another, we contract out the fall cleanup. That's that's why we have that contract. That's the primary reason we have that contract, but we still use it in the fall as as there are storms and other. Other needs, so we would have it available for that and in theory for events, although I don't think we're going to be having events. But, yeah, we would, we would have it for any needs we had this fall. When we get it, that was going to be 1 of my other questions, but are we going to use it to. Replace any subbing out of. So, at this time, no, but it is something that's crossed my mind. I don't think. for this fall i think it makes sense to proceed with the contract because we have that in the
▶ 55:43 budget but once we have a brand new sweeper you know if if the fall sweeping takes them i don't know 15 days with two machines maybe we are able to cut some of that cost by doing one of the precincts ourselves so that the nice thing in the contract if you look at the unit costs in the bid form is that it's divided up by warden precinct and so we can easily ask them to do you know wards one through five and we'll do wards six and seven or something like that we have absolutely that flexibility and that definitely saves us money thank you so much that's all i have okay thank you anybody else uh what is the will of the committee that you want to digest and go to city council and come back you want to take a recess and go
▶ 56:36 Jen Grigoraitis: rights of council president motion to recess mr chairman thank you so motion to recess paid by council minister seconded by council mcnaught adam clark please call the roll chair sanella yes vice chair Migliorelli yes councillor Tramontozzi yes councillor mcmaster yes councillor McNaught? Yes. Councillor Eccles? Yes. Councillor Garipay? Yes. Councillor Stewart? Yes. Councillor Thomas? Yes. Councillor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Grigoraitis? Yes. You are recessed. Okay, thank you counselor. And we can return to appropriations for Ms. just as soon as we do public comment. Just so that we're not keeping her on the line all night. So, the time is 813 PM on Monday, September 21st, the speeding of the Melrose city council is called to order. I am President Grigoraitis.
▶ 1:02:19 Mark Garipay: ellis was there a turn in value for the um street sweeper i forget yes i i did forget to mention so we finally got that from cn wood and it is a whopping twenty five hundred dollars we're practically paying them to take it away that's what thank you for answering that's it you're You're welcome. Councilor Garipay. One other quick question. Regarding the new proposed sweeper, did we look at those various types of new sweepers? You know, you get something like just ride on a cabin chassis, which anytime you can have a full cabin chassis, not something that can be fabricated, the cost to maintain it, you're looking at a regular engine and doors. and is that do those work in the regular streets are those mainly for parking lots and
▶ 1:03:10 Mark Garipay: in um open spaces and did we look at one of those type of sweepers because i would uh i would believe that the maintenance cost overall on having a real real cabin chassis over one of the older style ones not an older style it's a new sweeper but that type of model um i would i would assume the the cost to maintain that with the transmission engine all that stuff um would uh would be a little less but i was wasn't sure if i i'm not i have no idea if those type of sleepers sleepers our sweepers are based on uh based on uh just for for open spaces or if they're used in streets also yeah unfortunately i don't know the answer to that because the recommendation as to which sweeper to purchase was was established under rick stinson because um
▶ 1:04:00 i i think i started to mention before maybe i forgot to finish that thought that um this was originally proposed to be a spring free cash item and so that's why the the leg work had all been done um prior to that and then when covid started um patrick de la russo did not feel that it was appropriate to move forward with a spring cash request of this size um because he he just wanted to see where things were heading um and then this summer felt that capital stabilization was the way to go for this purchase so all of that work had been done before i was director um and you know i do know that the elgin pelican sweepers are they're pretty much the ones that all of the contractors use for street sweeping um if you look at millennium's fleet
▶ 1:04:51 Shawn M. MacMaster: it's almost entirely um elgin pelicans so i'm not sure if that says that that's the best kind but i would imagine it's you know it's kind of the industry standard thank you thank you anybody else what is the will of the committee anyone recommend a motion to recommend passage by council tramitose do we have a second any additional discussion council mcmaster thank you mr chairman i did want to note that i made an inquiry uh this morning uh through our clerical committee's uh miss foot uh to get a sense of what the current balance is of our staff of our capital uh stabilization fund as of right now it's 590 thousand four hundred and ninety nine dollars and forty seven cents uh with this purchase we would
▶ 1:05:59 Shawn M. MacMaster: have three hundred and forty seven thousand two hundred and fourteen dollars and forty seven cents that amounts to a 58 reduction in the capital stabilization fund um the concern that i have is that as counselor Garipay uh observed we don't know where we're going to be next year there is It's obviously uncertainty that exists in terms of the financial future of the city. I've made 2 requests of Mr. Dela Rousseau to try to get a sense of what we will have for free cash later this fall. That is still being determined as of, I believe 2 weeks ago. Mr. Dela Rousseau still looking at the numbers and hadn't submitted the number to to be certified. So, we don't even know what we're expecting for free cash. So, if this fund goes down 58%, I'm concerned about where that might leave us in terms of other priorities that have already been recognized and that are memorialized in the capital improvement plan.
▶ 1:07:04 Shawn M. MacMaster: Council echoes astutely observed that this expenditure wasn't even identified in the capital improvement plan and I don't disagree that it's needed. I agree with the sentiments of some of my counselors and might be a better way to fund it. I certainly trust miss practice Ellis and our 30 year mechanic in terms of what they've recognized as being a need. I think Ms. Paracas-Ellis finds herself in a difficult predicament because she wasn't in a position to advocate at the time to have this piece of equipment, which is clearly outdated and had, in her words, a catastrophic failure at the time. I think she's in a difficult position, but at the same time, we have to think about the future of the state of affairs in terms of our finances moving forward.
▶ 1:08:00 Shawn M. MacMaster: I just have a tough time swallowing the fact that we do have priority A projects that are in the capital improvement plan about which we haven't even yet had a discussion. We know from the capital improvement plan that the fire station needs a new rare floor. That is a building in which we have employees who not only work but live and we haven't even started that conversation. We haven't begun the larger conversation or I should say the conversation has been stalled Going back to the previous administration, in terms of the future of our public safety buildings. So it is very difficult to have a conversation about something that isn't, it's not even a category F priority. And based on the capital improvement plan, there's a through F now, I think an argument can be made that it may fall as a group B priority under fleet maintenance.
▶ 1:08:53 Shawn M. MacMaster: but I think Director Paracas-Ellis, I think she spoke that there was a need identified by Mr. Shena and by Mr. Stinson, but I don't see the specific piece of equipment listed in the capital improvement plan. So, I think an argument could be made a favorable argument to DPW and to the administration that it's a group B priority, but group A priorities are urgent high priorities and that would include the fire station floor. So, that's a concern that that I have that that conversation hasn't begun and we're in a position right now where we're looking to deplete the capital stabilization fund by 58%. That's all I have at this time. Chairman. As a point of information, we did actually, in fact, vote in the stabilization of the.
▶ 1:09:46 Fire station floor, I think the apparatus is what we voted on. Did the floor for a 106. 5,000, I believe the floor appears. And also, I did, I did open up the, um. The once we started talking more about it and. Uh, the fleet upgrades are the group B project that is shown. I hadn't bothered to look at that because that that question hadn't been asked before. But the, the. Projects that are listed under the group B fleet upgrades, the 2.9Million. Does include the street sweeper because that is the capital improvement plan costs that John Shannon had identified as fleet improvements. So. It was a group B item, I guess I would argue that the immediacy of the problems with the sweeper was originally.
▶ 1:10:48 Shawn M. MacMaster: Supposed to be in year 4 of the plan, which would have been 2 years from now. Of the 2019 plan, so the issues that it's presently happening. In my mind kick priority unexpectedly, but but it is in there. So I apologize that I misspoke before. No, I stand corrected. Thank you for that. Um, I do have a question that we, if I think council, it might have been consular. Sinella who mentioned the cost of 150,000 dollars and director practice. You mentioned that that job has been complete in looking at the capital improvement plan. The quote, I believe was 450,000 dollars and was that a partial repair of the floor as the entire rare apparatus floor been replaced. It is a sort of long term shoring project that that short up that floor for.
▶ 1:11:49 You know, it's not meant to be permanent, but it will last. A couple of years, it will last us. For the foreseeable future, until we determine what's going on with the public safety building that was ultimately the decision that was made was that it was better to do this shoring project. And I believe we allocated. I want to say 75,000 or 100,000 for it. It only ended up costing us 30 or 40,000. Um, so we did very well with that contract. But the idea is that that can bring us to the point when we've designed and. Bid and are ready for construction of a. Either a refurbished fire station or. A combined public safety building or whatever. Direction that ends up going this will this will hold this over.
▶ 1:12:46 Jack Eccles: Thank you. Any other questions as it pertains to the street sweeper. Counselor Eccles. Just on discussion, I feel comfortable moving forward. One thing that caught my eye was that it wasn't included in the capital improvement plan, but I think that we've been given one enough information on the fact that the urgency has upgraded and that it actually was. That was my one hang up in question, so I feel comfortable voting yes on this order as it's proposed. I don't have anybody else in queue. Madam clerk, please call the roll chairman Salary. Yes, it's Jim. Yes. Council of yes. No, that's what I'm not. Yes, yes. No. No, no. Councilor Thomas? No. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Grigoraitis? Yes.
▶ 1:14:06 Christopher Cinella: We have four no's, seven yes. Motion fails. Thank you. Our next order for this evening. Order 2021-20. The appropriation from the Rideshare Special Revenue Fund, 2921, in the amount of $37,965.80, these will be used to help address various road and sidewalk projects. Anybody going to speak to that? I can speak to that if you'd like. Sorry. Go ahead. Me again. um so each year we get a payment from um like a mitigation payment from ride share rides that have originated in melrose it's 10 cents per ride and so this reflects the last two years worth of payments i actually did not realize that um that last year's payment had never come before the counselor the good news is we haven't spent last year's payment um but i had thought that um
▶ 1:15:27 the director stinson had brought that order forward but i guess he wasn't aware that needed to be done um so the request is just to accept the rideshare mitigation funds for both last year and this year um and the last year's funds were approximately 17 000 we did have to provide to to the state a list of what we intended to use last year's funds for. And so we had provided information on replacing faded street signs. We have a long list of faded street signs that, you know, parking signs, stop signs and the like. We have gathered GIS information out in the field of we've done a street sign inventory of about 75% of the community at this point. and that was the number of signs that needed to be replaced.
▶ 1:16:21 And we have a specific list of where those are, but it's pretty much any place that we've visited that requires replacement due to being faded or damaged. And then the remainder from last year was proposed to go towards putting in a push button crosswalk signal at the crosswalk at Wyoming near Berwick, where we unfortunately had the pedestrian fatality a couple of years ago. And so that would fund the installation of that and also a small media and island. Mainly painted posts for the center of the road at that crossing so that there was a small. Median refuge where somebody could stop halfway across the street if they really needed to if. They had started crossing and then found that they couldn't safely get all the way across.
▶ 1:17:08 So that was the proposal for the 1st, 17,000. And then the 20,000 for this year, we haven't identified specific projects, but. They tend to be the same types of projects, their streetscape projects, traffic, safety projects as we identify needs. I know last week at the traffic commission meeting. We approved for new crosswalks that don't have any funding source, but that were strongly supported by the, the community and the word counselors. 2 on Pleasant street and 2 on Grove street. And so this could be a potential funding source for those. Um, we also have requests in several awards for more solar speed, feedback signs and for more push button crosswalk signals flashing signals. So, these are the types of improvements that we've traditionally used the ride share money to fund. And so we're just looking for.
▶ 1:18:04 Robb Stewart: Approval to accept those funds from the state for both last year and this year. I don't have anybody in the queue that counts as to it. Thank you Mr. chair and thank you for providing that detail. This is something that was discussed at length at the head bike committee. And all the good work that they do there, these are great initiatives to help. With the safety of the community, the. The walking mobility, the pedestrian mobility of the community. The 1 example that on this, because I'll spoke of. Which is right down by the ice cream shop club 9. A lot of people throughout the spring, summer and fall are crossing that. At the twilight hours, the traffic can speed and tend to go pretty quickly on there. That's just 1 great example of finding great ways to use this money.
▶ 1:19:03 Cory Thomas: For helping the community in this regard, I think this is a super initiative on the full support, but thank you. Mr. Thank you. Anybody else. Nobody what is the will of the committee? I share motion for passage. 2nd, motion for passage made by the vice chair, seconded by. president Grigoraitis on discussion counselor thomas thank you mr chairman uh director ellis um all the projects that you talked about you know signage uh improved signage crosswalk solar uh solar buttons uh those are all uh well um deserving items for this money to go towards um is any of this money gonna go to actual road improvements though like the condition of Roads, there's a couple of roads that aren't on the current list of the most needy roads in the community.
▶ 1:20:06 Cory Thomas: Grove Street is one of them. Ward 6 and Ward 7 share Grove Street. It's in very tough condition right now. I put a couple of work orders in this spring and summer. Any of that money earmarked, I've seen the construction schedule, I've seen the road rankings. DPW does a great job of the construction schedule and ranking the roads. grove is not on there um were there any chance of any money going towards fixing grove possibly yes i'm happy to say we have a different plan for grove street uh we've been working with dnr paving to come up with a plan to do it's not um it's not in our three-year plan as you mentioned so it's not getting the full um you know the full uh utilities followed by paving and all that but we do have a plan to do a um
▶ 1:20:56 I would say I'd call it like a permanent temporary repair. It's like what we did on up on street. A year or 2 ago where we repaired whole sections of the street that desperately needed it and we do have a price now from and we also have a price to compare it to for renting equipment and doing it ourselves curb to curb. Just sort of dragging a leveler over it and putting a new surface curb to curb. So something will absolutely be happening with growth street this year. We recognize that it has gone through very fast deterioration on that 1 segment. And actually, I'm surprised that that worst segment didn't come up in worse condition in our condition assessment. I think maybe we had, you know, just filled some potholes right when we did our condition assessment. So it didn't, it didn't pop up as being quite as dire, but and it's a bus route. It's in dire need. So we recognize that and we will fix it.
▶ 1:21:57 Cory Thomas: That's that's great to hear. Thank you so much. You know, and thank you for having that information readily available. And I just wanted to note to on West Wyoming Avenue. That was David O'Donnell a long time. Melrose resident, great Bob at the Yankee Clipper. He was the pedestrian that was killed in that crosswalk. So I'm very much in favor of fixing that area and beefing up the pedestrian in the crosswalk and the island, so that's great. David was a great part of the Melrose community for three or four decades, and he's missed by many people. So thank you very much. Pastor Garbat. Yes, thanks. I am sure we don't all want to jump in on this one, But there's a section between Bellevue and in row street access to the hospital that we put in a bunch of request. So, if there's any way that we can, if there's extra money, take a look at doing that project there.
▶ 1:22:50 Because a lot of the ambulances do do travel down Bellevue take a left on to on the street. Thank you. Anybody else on discussion. Okay. Madam clerk, please call the roll. Vice excuse me chairman. Yes, I should make really yes. Yes. Yes. Counselor McMaster. Yes. So, I'm not. Yes, Councilor Eccles. Yes. Councilor Garipay pay. Yes, counselor Stewart. Yes. Counselor Thomas. Yes. Also your melody. Yeah, president is. Okay, and then we'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn second. We Jeremy by console Stewart, second by console and Eccles please call the roll chairman. Yes, yes yes. Yes, that's the McMaster. Yes, so, not. Yes. yes yes counselor Stewart yes counselor Thomas yes yes yes