Appropriations & Oversight Committee — 2021-06-03
Attendance
Christopher Cinella ; Jack Eccles ; Mark Garipay ; Jen Grigoraitis ; Maya Jamaleddine ; Shawn M. MacMaster ; Jeff McNaught ; Leila Migliorelli ; Robb Stewart ; Cory Thomas ; John N. Tramontozzi
Agenda
- Call to Order
- Public Comment
- Orders
- ORDER-2021-122 : City of Melrose Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2022 in the amount of $91,000,522.33 (Ninety-One Million, Five Hundred Twenty-Two Dollars and Thirty-Three Cents).
- ORDER-2021-128 : Reauthorization of City of Melrose Revolving Fund table as first adopted by City Ordinance June 18th, 2018 and annually thereafter. Revolving Funds are further authorized under Massachusetts General Law Chapter 44 Section 53E 1/2.
- ORDER-2021-135 : An appropriation from Free Cash, account 01-324001, in the amount of $255,000 to Police Capital Accounts as set forth herein.
- ORDER-2021-96 : Amending Melrose Revised Zoning Ordinance to create Incentive Zoning Provisions and related Zoning Map and Parking Regulation Amendments as set forth herein.
- Adjournment
Minutes
CITY OF MELROSE APPROPRIATIONS & OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE CALENDAR● JUNE 3, 2021 Web-based remote meeting Budget Hearing 6:30 PM , Melrose, MA 02176 Attendee Name Title Status Arrived Jeff McNaught Chair Present Jack Eccles Vice Chair Present John N. Tramontozzi Present Shawn M. MacMaster Present Mark Garipay Present Jen Grigoraitis Present Leila Migliorelli Present Robb Stewart Present Cory Thomas Present Maya Jamaleddine Present 7:02 PM Christopher Cinella President, ex oficio Present
ORDER-2021-122 Operating Budgets (City, School, Regional School) City of Melrose Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2022 in the amount of $91,000,522.33 (Ninety-One Million, Five Hundred Twenty-Two Dollars and Thirty-Three Cents). Hold Appropriations & Oversight Committee
ORDER-2021-128 Revolving Fund/Reauthorization Reauthorization of City of Melrose Revolving Fund table as first adopted by City Ordinance June 18th, 2018 and annually thereafter. Revolving Funds are further authorized under Massachusetts General Law Chapter 44 Section 53E 1/2. Hold Appropriations & Oversight Committee
ORDER-2021-135 Appropriation An appropriation from Free Cash, account 01-324001, in the amount of $255,000 to Police Capital Accounts as set forth herein. Recommend Passage City Council
ORDER-2021-96 Amending Revised Zoning Ordinances City of Melrose Page 1 2/24/2022 12:30 PM Minutes Appropriations & Oversight Committee June 3, 2021 Amending Melrose Revised Zoning Ordinance to create Incentive Zoning Provisions and related Zoning Map and Parking Regulation Amendments as set forth herein. Recommend Passage City Council City of Melrose Page 2 2/24/2022 12:30 PM
Transcript
▶ 0:00 Jeff McNaught: Good evening the time is 6 31 p.m on June 3rd 2021 Thursday evening this is a meeting of the appropriations committee I am Councillor McNaught the chair of this committee and in lieu of a roll call attendance joining me this evening are Vice Chair Eccles, Councillor Tramontozzi, Councillor McMaster, Councilor Garipay, Councilor Grigoraitis, Councilor Stewart, Councilor Thomas, and President Cinella. I do want to note that Councilor Jamaleddine will be joining us a little bit later this evening. But the attendance that we have provides notice of quorum for the record. Governor Baker's March 12, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting. And the governor's March 15, 2020 orders, imposing strict limitations.
▶ 1:08 Jeff McNaught: On the number of people that may gather in 1 place. This meeting of the appropriations committee remote participation to the greatest extent possible. We will post an audio or video recording transcript or other comprehensive record. of these proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting on the city of morrow's website and on mmtv3.org at this time we are at our public comment portion of the meeting where anyone from the public can speak to any item on our agenda if there is no objection i will move by unanimous consent to open public comment seeing and hearing no objection public comment is now open i do see some folks in the uh attendee room if you are there and you'd like to speak please raise your digital hand and the clerk will bring you into the room i don't see any hands
▶ 2:20 Jeff McNaught: raised no one's raising their digital hand seeing no hands raised in the attendee room i will move uh without if there is no objection i will move for you by unanimous consent to close public comment seeing no objection public comment is now closed and if there is no objection i will move by unanimous consent to suspend the rules so that we can hear from some folks from the administration this evening on their budget reviews seeing no objection the rules are now suspended and first before us this evening is order 2021-122 the city of melrose operating budget for fiscal year 2022 in the amount of 91 million 522 dollars and 33 cents and um first up this evening we're going to bring in emergency management as
▶ 3:24 Jeff McNaught: as I know that Mr. Alpert has a prior engagement that he needs to get to. So that being said, can we bring Mr. Alpert into the room, Madam Clerk? Director Alpert? Okay, good evening. Am I unmuted and visible? We can see you and we can hear you. And if you'd like to give us a brief overview, we'd be happy to hear it. We know you have a prior engagement and the council can ask you any questions, and we can let you head off to that prior engagement. Excellent, I wanna thank the honorable council very much for considering moving me around so I can get in and out quick. And to the honorable council and those watching from home, good evening. To our residents and others viewing, I'm Alan Alpert, director of emergency management.
▶ 4:36 I've been the director in Melrose For 2 and a half years after completing almost 40 years as the emergency management director in Chelsea with the last 15 years as the superintendent of fire alarm. And director of 911 and the 14th busiest 911 center in the state. Retirement wasn't for me. When I saw the advertisement that Melrose was looking for an emergency management director part time and having worked with the late director, Ed Kelly, I applied. I chose this line of work early on in my career because I, like much of you, want to have a positive impact on the lives of our residents in the business community. However, I'm sure most of you are unfamiliar with emergency management, so I'll give you a brief overview of emergency management.
▶ 5:31 1st, I'm a 1 person department in Melrose. Very rarely the members of the general public initiate a call to me basically, because so many people do not know what emergency management does. But I play an important role in the liaising between the city state. federal government and agencies as well as communicating with our police and fire chiefs department heads and many of their staff members Massachusetts general law chapter 639 the civil defense act authorizes and directs each political subdivision to establish an emergency management organization and appoint a director emergency management is a three-tiered intergovernmental operation like all incidents they start local so it goes from the city to the state which is
▶ 6:31 the mass emergency management agency and federal which is fema and follows an all-hazard approach preparing for various types of emergencies whether they're natural or man-made this is done through a four-phased preparedness approach first is the planning stage second is training and exercising the plan which brings in an element of education the third phase is response and mitigation and the fourth and sometimes an especially important component, recovery. Most people have very little knowledge of the major role that emergency management directors across the country were faced with due to the unique challenges brought forward by COVID-19. Locally, Governor Charlie Baker invoked sections of Chapter 639
▶ 7:32 by declaring a state of emergency the shutdown and other orders he placed in effect throughout the pandemic i was in constant contact with the massachusetts emergency management agency mima has had for over 10 years a statewide web-based system called webdoc which was used for virtually all communications from municipalities to the state and then back all requests for ppe cleaning disinfecting supplies and equipment were made on web eoc as the supplies were received they were distributed to public works fire police and school all requests for reimbursement for the federal declaration was made through mema daily i had conference calls webex and other online meetings based on the information received i acted as the information officer
▶ 8:37 disseminating changes and all covert 19 protocols as they were received from the state and federal government from the beginning the day-to-day operations required a great deal of agility as changes were constant. Because of the tremendous efforts of every single department, the cooperation was unbelievable, as well as the understanding and cooperation of our residents. Melrose had a better COVID-19 status than many of our surrounding communities. Public safety is not just about responding to crises or emergencies, It's about preventing them. Emergency managers need operational, logistical, and interoperational skill sets to harmonize the efforts of multiple departments, identify potential problems before
▶ 9:32 they happen, and start the first two phases of emergency management, planning, training, and exercising the plan. That certainly will make us better prepared for phase three, the response emergency management is not all about emergencies or disasters as i said emergency management plays an important role in non-emergency events like to call the happenings and events planning events whether they are planned or demand response for a planned event such as a festival i do the behind the scene work coordinating city departments outside groups and agencies working together with city departments we ensure that our residents are safe while enjoying the cultural and community events we all love like the summer stroll
▶ 10:30 in the victorian fair which i know we are all thrilled to see return this year Last calendar year, all department heads completed FEMA's Incident Command System ICS 101 and 102 training as required by the mayor and received certifications for it. That training proved extremely helpful during COVID-19 and especially planning for the inoculations at Memorial Hall and the testing at the schools. In FY22, my goal is to conduct training and exercising with city departments to become better familiar with the Incident Command System as the default protocol for all incidents and events. This will also streamline our operations and enhance resident services and community outreach by increasing efficiency in our planning process.
▶ 11:31 I will also conduct additional tabletop exercise with city departments, states, and federal agencies to plan for events that could have a negative impact on Melrose. Last month, an incredibly positive tabletop exercise was held in Memorial Hall with fire, police, and emergency management using an actual incident that occurred five years ago when an oil truck skidded on ice and flipped over on Howard Street. There was a release of hundreds of gallons of product that impacted the streets, storm drains, and the storm drains led to the Saugus River. In the coming year, my department is completely level funded. And, in fact, you'll see a very slight decrease in some line items, such as postage, clothing and training, but I have a very small operating budget to begin with.
▶ 12:27 Jen Grigoraitis: I'd like to thank you for allowing me the time to give this overview of emergency management, and I will answer any of your questions and extend an invitation. If anyone would like to know more about emergency management and our partnership with agencies, exercising coordination, please contact me and feel free to stop by the emergency management office at your convenience. Thank you very much. Thank you, Director Alpert, for that good, very informative overview. Councilor Grigoraitis. Thank you, Chair McNaught. Thank you, Director Alpert, for being here tonight and for providing us with that overview. I think it's really critical for the public to understand what goes into your role. I think many of us work at places where the continuity of operations plan was taken out of a dusty shelf about 18 months ago
▶ 13:25 Jeff McNaught: and put into effect so i'm glad that there's renewed focus on emergency management and i'm really grateful to hear that you're continuing to make sure that we're thinking strategically and getting our cities repaired and i appreciate what you offered us tonight and at this point unless there's other comments i would motion to move the bottom line did i hear a second i heard a beat but i didn't know if it was a second okay so we have a motion to move the bottom line of one moment department 291 emergency management made by councillor Grigoraitis seconded by president sanella on discussion seeing none madam clerk will you please call the role chair mcnaught yes yes vice chair eccles yes councillor tramm and
▶ 14:19 Jeff McNaught: Josie? Yes. Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councilor Garipay? Yes. Councilor Gargaritas? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes. Councilor Thomas? Yes. President Cinella? Yes. And yes. The motion passes. Thank you again Director Alpert for being here and we can let you go now. thank you very much i really appreciate it and again the invitation is open even to the general public if any members of the general public would like to sit down with me and talk about emergency management and learn a little bit more about it i'm more than willing to open my doors thank you very much thank you all very much next we have the um department 693 sailor and soldiers of memorial hall memorial hall building and we have ms pickett broder i believe director can you hear us yes can
▶ 15:25 you hear me yes um thank you counselors i want to say good evening and i thank you for your time tonight um for those of you at home that may not know who i am i am kathy pickett broder executive director of the soldiers and sailors memorial building lovingly known as melrose memorial hall the team at memorial hall consists of myself and four part-time operations assistants rob mason dave coder paul tracy and danny santos they are responsible for the logistics both before during and after all of the events at memorial hall in the normal year memorial hall would host over 300 events with approximately 60,000 attendees. The primary mission of Memorial Hall and the Board of Trustees is to honor the veterans who have served and gave their ultimate
▶ 16:23 sacrifice for their country. In addition, it serves as the location for community gatherings and events when the pandemic um first hit and the governor suspended all gatherings it was um memorial hall was closed and as you can imagine that was personally heart-wrenching for me oh you know everybody's head was spinning i'm sure when that happened and you know what's the next step well within days i was called into the mayor's office and tasked with and i quote i need every senior resident of Melrose called and checked on and to see if we can help them this led to the Melrose helps team as the director of Melrose help I wrote a plan an initial plan to get this whole process going and the mayor allowed me to recruit for the team
▶ 17:17 the from the pool of talented city of Melrose workers and the team consisted of 20 city of Melrose employees over 15 different apartments. And we were initially put together to address the needs of over 2,000 of our senior residents in Melrose with weekly phone calls to check in on them and just see what they needed. The team, for example, was selected, and I have to do a shout out to Chris Wilcox now. He came on board and he's the one that set up the whole Melrose House database system, which allowed us to be able to communicate very easily. When the phone calls were being made, the volunteers could input into the database what the conversation was, and then I was able to retrieve that data and know what someone needed and what their needs were.
▶ 18:07 Joanne, for example, from the election office answered all the Merrill's help sign. We needed someone to coordinate. I know all of the city councilors were the ones that were Responsible to coordinate with all the volunteers that called and the logical person was Kristen focus. She was the clerk of committees to be your liaison and the idea of who we picked him where we picked him. Um, to be part of this team was that we needed people who would take the task and the responsibility and own it 90% and be able to. Get to the goal line on their own without any direction, just go run and do it because things were changing so fast and there's always that 10% where you need help. They would come back to the team and ask for help.
▶ 18:50 It was phenomenal, but as we. As the phone calls started being made that the. goal of narrow's helps evolved very very quickly into more than just phone calls we discovered people needed things for example people needed water for the cpap machine people needed cat food people needed dog food people needed groceries because we forget but this was the time when no one could leave their house and we had all these senior citizens that couldn't leave so we needed to help them very very quickly with supplies for example toilet paper people were desperate for toilet paper and i secured a bunch of um toilet paper in the city that i found and we put it somewhere and we were literally running around delivering toilet paper to these senior
▶ 19:34 citizens that didn't have any so that all happened and then it evolved into something even more the mayor discovered and wanted to deliver masks to every household in the city because ppes were in very short supply. So this team, this incredible Melrose Health team, we organized and put together 10,000 bags of five masks within each bags and with the help of over 150 volunteers in one day delivered masks to over 10,000 households in Melrose. The next thing we discovered is we needed weekly groceries to deliver. So I contacted Servant's Hut Food Pantry who was already set up to coordinate and fill bags and knew exactly all the procedures had all the health permits so we would purchase the groceries once a week and they would get picked up by serving truck food printer
▶ 20:28 they put it together and then with over 40 a help of 40 um additional volunteers on a weekly basis we would deliver to the senior residents who couldn't get out and um those people that had food insecurities it was all done confidentially so there was no issues of who's getting it and who isn't getting it um this program lasted um for approximately 12 months and over the course of those 12 months we delivered 3 500 bags of groceries and i have to give a big shout out to the council on aging the rec department initially was helping me pick it up at the servants hot food Pantry, but when their programs started to happen, the Council on Aging Vans, Stacy stepped up and the Council on Aging Van Drivers came in and the Council on Aging staff made all the weekly phone
▶ 21:21 calls to make sure people still wanted the groceries and the van drivers came and picked up the grocery bags and brought them to Memorial Hall so we could distribute them quickly. Another aspect that became clear to us we needed to, Memorial Hall became the site for the distribution of the Edward Jones School Supply Program. Edward Jones office collected all the school supplies, but then the Memorial Hall staff went and picked it all up and brought it back here. Patrick Pendergast in the mayor's office worked with the school department for me to get the names of the people. He set up a form online. I got all the information, I numbered everybody. So there was no names and my staff, we had it all set up in the room and we downloaded all the school supply list in the city and made up the individual bags.
▶ 22:05 And I set up personal appointments with the students and their parents to come. Quietly and discreetly to pick up the school supplies and then my staff took all the extra school supplies and returned it all to the schools. So they could be used throughout the year. Um, then the next thing that was needed to happen was, um, early voting need to happen at a central location. So, Memorial Hall worked with the election administrator to, um. Set up early voting for both elections in September and November at Memorial Hall. And then 1 of my favorite programs we did was something called Melrose University where my staff and I, we set up with the help of it and we set up the room and Chris will help me organize an online.
▶ 22:52 You know, I set up a QR code, learned all kinds of stuff about that where people students from Melrose that went off to college. We called it Melrose University and they were supposed to go off to college. They couldn't go. So, I felt in my head, I was thinking these poor kids are sitting in their bedrooms still thinking they're in high school. So we set up the to be a quiet, safe study area where they can come. They went online book. The appointments came and they studied. As needed, and they also could attend their remote using headsets. They were remote classes. And then finally, memorial hall, the city needed a place to do vaccine clinics. So memorial hall. Became the site for the municipal vaccine clinics. Um, we planned and executed in collaboration with the health department, 8 vaccine clinics, and was able to facilitate the vaccination of 4,000 people.
▶ 23:41 Then something else happened at Memorial Hall is wonderful bill building due to the large script footage and its central location became the ideal location for meetings that needed to occur in the city. because of social distancing couldn't happen for example the conference rooms at city hall could only accommodate two people so we became my staff and i set up on the stage a large conference room we'd have to set up where everyone could sit six feet apart we had the eight foot table set up in a conference room shape and so all the internal mayors meeting any meetings they may need to have with external people or city staff and most importantly the as alan alpert just said um the incident command team they needed to meet constantly and they had a safe location where
▶ 24:25 they could do it without um going against the social distancing guideline we also hosted the morrow's health department serve safe classes the morrow's police new officers training and we held a summit on food insecurities to determine mostly it was to determine how people are going to handle the holiday food distribution with all the local food banks and distribution centers We have for the past 5 years been on the host to the veterans mobile food market, and we were able again, because of the size and the location, we continue to post that monthly food mark. And the Melrose veterans office was easily able to fill all the bags because we spread all the tables out 6 feet apart, but turn the pickup into a drive through because the parking lot went down 1 side and went right back out the other side.
▶ 25:17 so that did not stop all during covert that continued and still continues today additionally i was asked by the return to work committee to take uh to become like the temporary city hall manager and to look at all the covert guidelines which i was reading constantly and reopen city hall and put systems into place for example we hired a greeter and i trained and hired a greeter and so people came in one door put up all the signage and um that all involved and we ended that june 1st city hall is open for business um lastly um we took advantage of the downtime at memorial hall we were closed and we had funds that senator lewis and the then state representative paul broda had secured for some repairs in memorial hall but because we
▶ 26:06 were closed we could easily do it so during this time we used those funds and we refurnished all All of the floors in memorial hall, we repainted all of the reflective. Um, lines when you're in the main hall, so when it's dark, you can see, we replaced all the globes in the front and a shout out to Jay McNeil for finding them. My staff replaced all the led all the bulbs in the main hall and the room with led bulbs. We. Uh, fix the exterior of the foundation of memorial hall, um, because it was especially the back portico was really crumbling. We. hired plasterers, historical plasterers that fixed the base of the columns in the main hall that were crumbling and they don't they they look they they matched them perfectly and and the proscenium
▶ 26:55 which is the archway on the stage there was a big hole um the plasterer fixed that and then we discovered that one of the columns the crown which is the top of the column in the main hall was in jeopardy of collapsing and falling so this plaster fixed fix that and at the same time as part of that project there was an historic artist that came in her and her husband her husband is actually curated an mfa and she has done a lot of the historical buildings around massachusetts and she was able to paint the gold and match it so that it doesn't even look like there were repairs done so um so that was a bonus for us that was the only bonus with the building being closed but um but uh that's so that's what we've been doing at memorial hall unfortunately we haven't been
▶ 27:42 able to have any events but that's what we did during the pandemic and i have to say that um being part of the maryland's house team um personally was a cross collaboration among my co-workers that i normally wouldn't get to work with and it was probably the most rewarding project I've ever done in my professional career and I have to do a huge shout out to my staff who pivoted and changed because the COVID-19 cleaning guidelines changed because we forget in the beginning we didn't know the science and whether COVID lived on the surfaces so my staff would come in for a minimum two hours two of them to do the deep cleaning after every single one of these meetings that occurred in my building and they pivoted as needed and never complained their
▶ 28:26 response was always um so what do we need to do what do you need us to do and they these four gentlemen really stepped up to the plate um as of may 29th i am very happy to report we are open to business and we are very grateful and happy to be back to the business of using the hall to honor our veterans and host community gatherings and events in june i started having events a couple of weeks ago but in june we have 24 events booked so we'll be very very busy over the next few months few uh the months in terms of my budget um it's level funded except for and this happens every year i have to do a slight increase in the elevator you'll see the elevator maintenance line item and that is directly reflective of union labor weight rates go up every year and i just
▶ 29:12 call the elevator contract and say how much is it going up and that's what they give me um so before i take any questions i um i would like to introduce um the chair of the soldier sales memorial building board of trustees which is mary sexton good evening um it's a pleasure to be here and it was great to hear kathy speak i really had an ongoing weekly review of what she was doing and how she was doing but i have to say she gave up her whole year honestly and she won't tell you this but i know because i've been here in this hall at 10 o'clock at night and she has been here if it's necessary she's here and i don't think the counselors i'm sure you know what she does but you don't know how well she does it and how during this pandemic year um thank god we had her
▶ 30:10 because she took charge and and got the right people to you know help her out and it made the city run smoother and i really appreciate everything she's done so thank you thank you thank you miss pickett are you are you ready to build questions Can anyone hear that? Ms. Piggott, can you hear us? Yes, I didn't hear any questions. I see Lila right there, but I didn't. Excuse me, Councilman. Sorry, let me make some comments. Councillor Migliorelli, I also want to recognize that Councillor Migliorelli joined us just after I called the attendance earlier. So I want to recognize her attendance. And we'll go first to Councillor Migliorelli, and then I have Councillor Garipay next. Thank you Mr. Chairman and thank you Ms. Pickett-Broder and Ms. Sexton for being here
▶ 31:16 Leila Migliorelli: tonight. I don't have any questions I just want to say that's just an amazing list of activities and things you've done this year. You kind of just almost walked us through the entire pandemic and just telling that the story of everything that happened it's kind of hard to remember how much has actually happened and changed and I just want to say thank you so much for stepping up and taking on this new new new activities and duties and really helping the the residents of melrose i mean you really went above and beyond um and i you know not something you could have ever planned for and we really stepped up so i just want to say thank you um on behalf of melrose for for helping us all thank you thank you thank you thank you mr chairman thank you
▶ 32:09 Mark Garipay: Director Pickett-Brown. Always wonderful to see you, Mrs. Sexton. I have one. I just have a question. You mentioned the bookings in June where we had quite a few. We get a lot of people rebooked after they canceled. How do you, is the phones been working good? How do you, I know it's going to be a while for people to feel comfortable, but what's, you had a black ball. What would you think the bookings going to be? Actually, it's very good news people. I'm not. Getting people who don't want to book, like, I'm, I'm starting to book like, October's pretty well booked right now. I have a lot of the people, like, it was 50% of the people with the board voted to immediately refund their money when the events got canceled.
▶ 32:56 But 25% of them had credits and all of those people that took credits have rebooked for either this time in June or next fiscal year. The Meryl Symphony has rebooked completely, the Meryl's Youth Ballet, the Nutcracker, their dates are already booked. So, fortunately, I know it seems like a hesitation to come back, but I'd say a good 70% of my bookings have already rebooked. What I have not gotten yet, and this is the hesitancy, is the people that do the fundraisers for their schools or their local softball teams. That hasn't happened yet. I do anticipate that happening. I just think people need time to get comfortable with going into, for example, a comedy show here. The Knights of Columbus has already booked their event for November. So.
▶ 33:42 Mark Garipay: Yeah, I next year, we're going to take a little bit of hit on the revenue because I did have to move a lot of the credits over till next year. But I think the year, if it's going to 23, it will be pretty much back to normal. Will any of that be able to be recouped to the federal federal stimulus? Do you think or. I'm trying, I'm trying, I have in the process of applying. Great thanks. I know this isn't regarding the budget, but I started on your agenda the other night. I believe it was the other night on the exterior and envelope repairs. Is that still moving forward? Are we still on pace to potentially start that in October? Yes, it is actually, it is 100% on target. The, they have picked the person. I'm sure you'd be Bonnie rice race for the engineer will address it, but it's definitely on target.
▶ 34:42 She comes every month and addresses the progress to our board of trustees and we anticipating construction starting in October and due to whether some of it may have to not be having done through the winter. But the completion date hopefully will be next spring. Great. Thank you. Thank you for all you guys. Everyone did at the Memorial Hall this past year. Vice Chair Eccles. Thank you so much for your presentation, Ms. Piggy-Bruder. At this time, if there's no other councillors, I'd like to make a motion to move the bottom line. Second. We have a motion to move the bottom line of Sailors and Soldiers of Memorial Hall. That's Department 693, made by Vice Chair Eccles. Seconded by President Sinella on discussion.
▶ 35:36 Seeing none, Madam clerk, will you please call the roll? Chair McNaught? Yes. Yes. Vice Chair Eccles? Yes. Councilor Tramontozzi? Yes. Yes. Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councilor Garipay? Yes. Councilor Grigoraitis? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes, yes, counselor Thomas. Yes. Yes. President, yes, 11. Yes. I'm sorry, 10. Yes, the motion passes director to get broader and share sexton. Thanks so much for being here with us this evening. We appreciate your presentation and all your. Thank you and next we have. Sorry around documents next we have department 171, the conservation commission coming into the room. Mr. can you hear us? Mr. The bar mission who are dialing in. I'm looking at the list of participants and I think there may be a couple of our commission members who may be dialing in Ryan Sloan.
▶ 37:13 He's our treasurer. So, are you saying bring them in the room? Yes, yes, Jason as well. So, Jason and Ryan are 2 of our commission members and Ryan's our treasurer. My name is Richard. You said I'm the chair of the conservation commission. I've been chair for. Just a couple of months now, I've been a member for about 15 years. This is our 1st time at our appropriations committee meeting. Our long time chair, Susan Murphy, retired recently, so she used to handle all of this. So this is all new to us. So, welcome to your guides as to how the process works here. We've had a big turnover on the commission and we're starting a fresh. Okay, Mr. Doucette, what I would just say is that you just give a brief overview of anything that you'd like to highlight
▶ 38:53 From the last year, and going forward in the FY22. And then take any questions from counselors that may have any. Great, most of our work relates to managing the conservation land in town. There are a number of parcels in town that have been. Deed it to the city under our management and the other aspect of our work is as a permanent authority under the Local wetland ordinance and the state wetlands protection act so we meet once or twice a month. And residents come to us seeking permits out of the wellness protection act when they'd like to do construction on their property, building additions, that sort of thing. And when they're within 100 feet of a wetlands, they need to come to the local conservation commission for a permit.
▶ 39:45 And we hold public hearings to deal with the permit requests under the state law in the in the local ordinance. um and the managing the conservation land is something we uh we do with a number of volunteers uh and our one staff person eric devlin who couldn't make it tonight uh and we organize cleanups once or twice a year and last year i think it was last maybe the year before we started also doing um some pulling of uh invasive water chestnut from al pond you may have read about that which it turns out is a much bigger effort than we can do with the volunteers that we have and we've been in some discussions with the Parks Department and the Mayor's Office on how to fund that. The biggest item in our budget annually is herbicide treatment for El Pond and we also
▶ 40:44 at times do towners pond and swayton's pond all the ponds in town are real really shallow uh and all ponds over time turn into swamps uh the sediment fills up the pond and uh people would prefer to live next to a pond than a swamp so we're constantly fighting against nature uh to keep the algae down and keep the uh keep the ponds as they are as ponds particularly alpon because it's so iconic in the middle of the city um and that that herbicide treatment is the largest uh line item has been for many years i'm guessing decades ago the city didn't know where to put that so they put it in our budget it could easily be the dpw or the parks department or somebody else there is at this time one private contractor that does this type of work in the
▶ 41:38 state. They've been sort of gobbling up their competition in New England. So we do those herbicide treatments to keep the algae down in the ponds each year, which one depends on how bad it can be. And Ryan, if you've got anything else you'd like to add, feel free to pitch in. I would just thank you, Richard, and thank you everyone for hearing us today. I would also add we have um a trail stewardship program there's about 12 members in it um they walk the trails regularly through town to let us know if any maintenance needs to be done um and you know we've for the as richard said for the last few years have uh gone out in kayaks and canoes uh to hand pull the water chestnut in el pond um and have been trying to sort of manage that invasive
▶ 42:32 as best we can. It is a bit of a losing battle. Some of what we do is just routine maintenance for the year and the hope, as Richard mentioned, is really to, you know, plan an assault that is a little bit more permanent and so that we can maintain El Pond in a manner that it really needs to be maintained for the longer vision in Melrose. And the last thing that we're contemplating at this time is our agent works about 10 hours week and a lot of the work that's done to administer the uh the wetlands protection act and the ordinance and the management of the conservation land was being done on a volunteer basis by susan murphy for many years she's now retired so to help fill that void we're looking
▶ 43:24 into the future to increase our agents hours from from 10 hours a week to two days a week two full days so increase our that line item maybe six thousand dollars or so so i think we were very lucky for many years to have susan doing work that in other municipalities the paid staff does it and there's no one on the commission that has the time available to do that free work that susan was doing for the city so we hope to increase eric's uh hours so that he can fulfill those functions I'd be happy to take questions. Thank you, gentlemen. Councilor Garipay. Thank you all for being here tonight. I have one quick question regarding the water chestnuts. El Pond is in the center of Ward 4 and I see it overtaking the pond.
▶ 44:27 Mark Garipay: We have an order coming in front of us for some money on next week. And I believe that's a 5 year over 5 years that that is what it's going to be a lot of. Do we have a dollar amount that that would just if we went and did it all at once what the cost would be to remove. The water chestnuts, if we've got a company to give that. Dollar amount, we've got a bid. I think they, I believe the amount that the big we got from its solitude lake management was 27,500. So, that's the total and what they do is they have essentially is sort of a specialized backhoe on a very that floats out on the pond on on pontoons and it's, it's called a hydro rake and it just, it just rakes up and pulls, pulls the plants out.
▶ 45:17 And then you bring it over to the shore and then then we have to deal with it. And if it's not too much of it. Then the can deal with it, it's a plan, so it can be composted like any plant. So, I think we need some aggressive harvesting of the water chestnut. If you really wanted the pond to be deeper so the water chestnut wouldn't set its roots in, then the pond needs to be mucked out, and in the old days, ponds would be drained and bulldozers would get in there and just scoop the muck out. Most people, I think, don't realize El Pond is only a few feet deep. If the muck was more firm, you could walk across it in the summertime, but it's very deep muck that is built up over time and it is possible to hire firms to to vacuum out the muck.
▶ 46:12 And make it deeper and more pleasant. But that would be, I'm guessing several 100,000 dollars. So, at the very least, I think we need to get the mechanical harvesting done. Right, Richard, probably worth adding to what happens with the water chestnut is it forms a whole bunch of nutlets. The nutlets are barbed. They eventually fall off and they set up in the sediment and so a single plant can produce hundreds of those in a given year. They set up in the sediment. And if you don't pull them before they mature and drop off, they're viable in the sediment for 5, 8, 10 years. And so the execution of the strategy over five years will have you getting everything from that given year and prevent other nutlets from dropping.
▶ 47:04 Mark Garipay: And then you're kind of catching up to it. And five years from now, it's gonna be back closer to hand pulling and an easier sort of maintenance plan. Great, thank you. And one other question on the conservation maintenance line item, I'm assuming that's the treatment of the ponds, the annual treatment of the ponds. And we have towners, you get the ponds up at Mount Hood. Is that really enough money to do what we want to do in order to keep the ponds healthy? The ponds up at Mount Hood, the parks department does that. And that's, so that's additional funds that they have. So we've done in the past, towners ponds, swains ponds, and elk ponds. It's enough so long as we understand purely a band-aid so the the chemical treatment what it does is in a freshwater environment
▶ 48:01 there's very little phosphorus in the water and phosphorus is a nutrient so the chemical makes the phosphorus particles heavier and they sink to the bottom and they're tied up in the sediment so there's no phosphorus in the water and that's what helps keep the algae population down. Ideally, in the ideal world, we'd muck out the pond and we'd find out, well, why is there so much phosphorus in the water? Urban ponds tend to have a lot of phosphorus from sewer leaks into the street drains, old septic systems, even things like dog poop in the streets feeds the phosphorus in the water column so i think it would be advantageous for the city to better understand why is the phosphorus so high going into the pond and that would require
▶ 48:56 some study and again that would cost money and we'd be happy to pitch in what funding we have we have some funds left over from an old grant lakes and ponds grants about just under eight thousand dollars that could go toward that effort but to do a real good study of understanding where the inputs are why is the phosphorus so high uh could take a lot more than that but until then we'll keep putting band-aids on because that's that's what we have on the budget great thank you very much thank you council garibay council mcmaster thank you all for being here uh mr ducet you mentioned an interest in uh increasing mr devlin's hours and um the reason i raised that is the budget we have before us for this particular department is level funded so i'm wondering
▶ 49:46 Shawn M. MacMaster: is that a request that was made directly to the administration the request hasn't been made uh since we're not familiar with how the budgetary process works it's something we just discussed at our last two meetings so it's really it's something brand new so we'd be open to your guidance as to the best way to move forward to do that so um we as a council are not able to increase budgets we can only decrease so i would encourage you to have conversations with the administration uh if we pass this budget uh and it's level funding that's not to say that there may not be resources that the administration can't find so i would encourage you uh to have those conversations directly uh with the mayor's office thank you thank you thank you council mcmaster
▶ 50:36 Jeff McNaught: seeing no other hands raised what is the will of the committee i want you to recommend the bottom line second second motion to recommend department 171 the conservation commission um to move the bottom line made by councillor Garipay seconded by councillor Migliorelli on discussion seeing none we're gonna have the madam clerk call the roll but i just want to acknowledge that councillor Jamaleddine is with us she joined us a few minutes ago but i was just waiting for a break um so we're 11 strong again um madam clerk will you please call the role chair mcnaught yes vice chair eccles yes councillor Tramontozzi yes councillor mcmaster yes councillor Garipay yes Yes. Councilor Grigoraitis. Yes. Councilor Migliorelli.
▶ 51:39 Yes. Councilor Stewart. Yes. Councilor Thomas. Yes. Councilor Jamaleddine. Yes. President Zanella. Yes. 11 yes. The motion passes. Thank you for being here, Mr. Doucette, Mr. Jankaitis and Mr. Sloan. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we have the Marist Police Department. We have Chief Lyle coming into the room. This is Department 211. Chief Lyle, can you hear us? I can hear you. Can you see me? Not yet. There you are. Sorry. Good evening, Chief. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. Thank you for this presentation this evening. And my head's messing, I'm sorry. Well, thank you. you all have a copy of our powerpoint i hope they do first off i you know before i go anywhere i have to thank the
▶ 52:57 murray's police department for the past 12 months these officers our admin staff everybody here from the maintenance worker to parking people everybody during covid uh we the covid was present in the building here uh officers were responding to serious not just medical calls but disturbance calls knowing covid was present in that house or that apartment officers went in there they donned equipment they went in there and they took care of business and you know what i can't thank them all enough for for their support over this past 12 month period and also i'd like to thank kim upton the powerpoint that you're looking at was put together by kim upton and a lot of kudos to kim for thanking her for doing that
▶ 53:39 Shawn M. MacMaster: she is president of the room now with that being said um you have my powerpoint i'm available for questions um i know your time is precious so i'm ready for questions does anyone have questions for the chief okay seeing no questions um um what is the will of the committee councillor mcmaster yes mr chairman i do have one question uh chief lyle uh good evening uh thank you for being here uh and thank you and miss upton for this presentation i think you've taken it to a new level um and what we have in front of us uh is excellent so so thank you for that drawing your attention to the powerpoint presentation the very last slide focuses on overdue payments and if i'm understanding uh this slide correctly does this relate to
▶ 54:42 overdue payments for uh hired police details yes it is standing those are funds that we're We're unable to collect, they're all at least 60 days old. Some of these vendors here have gone out of business. They change and then they open up a different company. It's constantly a chase with them. I've gone to court myself. I've been rejected. They asked that I bring the city solicitor in city solicitor, take out the complaints against the companies and chief. I see that approximately 43,000 dollars is attributed to Melrose public works. Can you explain what that is that's outstanding detail work that officers have performed or outside. Agencies have performed working for for various projects. I know that they operate on the grants and bonds, but some of their stuff is a little behind.
▶ 55:37 Shawn M. MacMaster: So, if that were to be paid, how is that done? Is that an inter departmental. Payment does that is that come from the Department of public works? Yes, actually a check is sent over in our office. And is that the same for what's outstanding from the school department? Yes, all city departments pass by check via in-of-office mail. So when that comes to your department, what then happens to it? Where does it go? Or where should it go if it comes? Well, when we do receive payment from whether it's an outside vendor or EPW or any other Agency in the city, because then it's processed in the admin office and it's deposited into our detailed account. Is there any process in place right now to work that out?
▶ 56:32 Shawn M. MacMaster: Internally to recoup the, those details. I mean, that's 43,000 dollars. We went to the level of DPW. We created a portal for them because we are constantly going back and forth with information for them. I repeated documents, we created a portal. So all our details detail slips invoices or everything are in that portal for every single detail by number. Okay, and for the, the external. Payment, so it looks like there are a number of them stop and shop. Miller's Wakefield hospital. Other entities that have requested police details, and it looks like the amount owed if I. Did my map correctly is 19,805 dollars and 15 cents. You mentioned that some of those entities are no longer operating or they're operating under another name for those that are still operating. We know who they are.
▶ 57:36 Shawn M. MacMaster: I would encourage you with new city solicitor starting, maybe to have some conversations about trying to recoup that money. $42,000, almost $43,000 internally, almost $20,000 externally that's due. I think there should be some effort from the administration to try to get you the support. I don't think you as police chief should have to be going into district court filing complaints. There is a mechanism to recoup that money and I'd like to see that happen. To the extent I can be a supportive chief please let me know well thank you thank you thank you counselor mcmaster vice chair thanks chief for being here i'm just looking at um you noted in the presentation it's a generators 25 years old is that something that you think you might be looking for a replacement
▶ 58:33 at some point is it nearing the end of its life you know what it is as everything ages like any vehicle the longer the longer in life the more cost we're just anticipating additional replacement a few years ago we had to replace the radiator it had you know brought it out that was a couple thousand dollars so it's an it's an estimate on what what will go next gotcha do you see it being cost effective to replace it in the next few years i don't even know what it would cost to replace that unit i don't remember it's been quite some time since it was installed the last time we replaced it i don't know nobody in the board was there but we had manholes blowing up on main street i don't know if you folks remember that um and our generator had uh cocked out so
▶ 59:20 it didn't work um 9-1-1 system was jeopardized we had battery life we had to bring in verizon to come in and assist us so um it was a big deal then gotcha and then my other question is just the overnight traffic enforcement officer is that budgeted it doesn't i don't think that's budgeted for right now that's that's a goal of yours to add later that would be the evening shift that would be support support the traffic division here um there was no means for us to address the 25 miles an hour when the city went to 25 citywide and as well as well as everybody in the room here i get complaints that you get complaints as well as about traffic in general i think it's the biggest complaint in the city is generally traffic and that's something we're trying to
▶ 1:00:06 Jen Grigoraitis: address we run it we run a real thin shift and this would give us the ability to have a traffic officer during the day and a traffic officer in the evening it would be absorbed in the budget it's not additional salary there'd be a stipend involved but it has to be negotiated with the union and that's something we're looking forward to because both contracts expire at the end of of the month. Gotcha. Thanks, Chief. Appreciate it. Councillor Koukouridis. Sorry, I promise I'll be very quick. Thank you, Chief, for being here tonight. I just wanted, the PowerPoint is fantastic and thank you to Ms. Upton for putting it together. I just wanted to highlight slide six with your goals and objectives and just, I know I've talked
▶ 1:00:56 Jen Grigoraitis: with you and some of your officers about all of these things and I'm just really thrilled to see such a forward-thinking, holistic approach to some of our concerns, particularly around calls related to mental health and families that are involved with multiple systems and agencies. So it's just great to see that. And yes, traffic is one of the top calls that I get as a ward counselor, and I always appreciate the responsiveness from you and your department on those calls. And I'm hoping that we're able to come up with some more creative solutions, but it It is always going to be a perpetual problem. So thank you for this information and I will motion to move the bottom line. Second. You have a motion to move the bottom line
▶ 1:01:40 Jeff McNaught: of the Police Department, Department 211, made by Councilor Grigoraitis, seconded by President Cinella. On discussion, seeing none, Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll? Chair McNaught. Yes. Vice Chair Eccles? Yes. Councilor Tramontozzi? Yes. Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councilor Garipay? Yes. Councilor Grigoraitis? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes. Yes. Councilor Thomas? Yes. Yes. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Cinella? Yes. Yes, 11. Yes, motion passes. We also have, um. Account 2665, the false alarm account chief. I don't know. Does anything further you want to say on that? Or if anyone has any questions. I think it's probably something we can just vote. So, I would ask what's the will of the committee on.
▶ 1:02:55 Jeff McNaught: 2021 account 2665. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to recommend to the bottom line. Second, you have a motion to move the bottom line made by Councilor Stewart, seconded by Councilor Thomas. Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll? Chair McNaught? Yes. Vice Chair Eccles? Yes. Councilor Tramontozzi? Yes. Yes. Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councillor Garipay. Yes. Councillor Grigoraitis. Yes. Councillor Migliorelli. Yes. Councillor Stewart. Yes. Councillor Thomas. Yes. Councillor Jamaleddine. Yes. President Sonalas. Yes. 11 yes. Question passes. Chief, I know we have a free cash your order coming up for you in a moment um first i just want to say thank you to you and miss upton we we said it last year we'll say it again um you're the way that you present uh your
▶ 1:04:15 Jeff McNaught: information for these meetings is the model um it's easily digestible um easy to see and um we just want to thank you and the whole force for everything you've done over the last year um Looking forward to putting this pandemic behind us, but really appreciate the efforts of the entire department. Now, we just have some cleanup work to do on a couple of orders that we've gotten used to holding in committee before we move on to the next order. I'll entertain a motion to hold 2021-122 in committee. I'll make a motion to hold order 1, 2, 1 dash 1, 22. Okay, the motion to hold 2021 dash 1, 22 in committee that's the city of Maro's operating budget made by counselor Stewart. And it by counselor, Gary, Adam clerk, we please call the roll.
▶ 1:05:20 Chairman not vice chair. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councilor Garipay? Yes. Councilor Grigoraitis? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes. Yes. Councilor Thomas? Yes. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Snelliff? Yes. Levin, yes. We also need to do the same with 2021-128. the revolving fund table. Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to hold 2021-128 in committee. Second. Motion to hold 2021-128, reauthorization of the City of Melrose revolving fund table in committee, made by Councillor Stewart, seconded by Councillor Garipay, Adam Clark. Chair McNaught. Yes, yes. Vice Chair Eccles. Yes. Councillor Tramontozzi. Yes. Councillor McMaster. Yes. Councillor Garipay.
▶ 1:06:33 Jeff McNaught: Yes. Councillor Regaritas. Yes. Councillor Migliorelli. Yes. Councillor Stewart. Yes. Councillor Thomas. Yes. Councillor Jamaleddine. Yes. President Zanella. Yes. 11 yes. Next we have order 2021 dash 135 and appropriation from free cash. Account 0, 1 dash 3, 2, 4, 0, 0, 1. In the amount of 255,000 dollars. To police capital accounts as set forth here and. And I didn't know if you are going to speak on. It would love to speak on this because it's going to be unique piece of equipment for the police department. This will be our 1st, all electric vehicle is 1 of the items. The only 1 that would stand the rigors right now of law enforcement that we can find is the Tesla. There is a program in place through Tesla itself.
▶ 1:07:42 With discounts and some assistance, financial assistance. Also, it has a range of approximately 400, 400 miles per charge. So, we're excited about it, get us to the next level. The other vehicle is to replace 1 of our line cars, our patrol cars. For daily patrol. And then lastly is our radio system. I notified the administration a year ago that we were going to need some infrastructure work for our radio system. and some of the stuff is very technical it's beyond my my scope but it's some tower work some receiver work and equipment alike okay chief does anyone have any questions for chief lyle on the free cash order counselor Migliorelli thank you mr chairman thank you on chief lyle for being here tonight and um it is exciting to see that you are uh moving into the
▶ 1:08:48 Leila Migliorelli: electrical vehicle space um we just went through personally to get an ev ourselves and so i just wanted you to just ask a follow-up question um about the tesla so the tesla versus like any other ev is it is it does it have to come with like the police package or something like that is there a reason why that over other evs um there are a couple of other departments that have purchased them in their admin cars they would never you know stand the daily patrol would never be able to charge them fast enough it'll be an admin vehicle i at some point i would think that all the manufacturers will come out with a line car or a patrol car at some point but you need something that has to run you know eight to ten hours constantly and our big thing for us is a lot
▶ 1:09:33 of our cruises idle in a traffic scene or a car crash they're idling constantly with the emergency lights on the hybrids that we have got now have worked out very well for us they they run on the battery when they drain they automatically the engine turns on recharges the battery just cycles so that's been very good for us and cost savings okay thank you thank you counselor mcglee really um i didn't see any other hands raised did i miss anyone counselor mcmaster so this time mr chairman i'd make a motion to uh recommend for passage second uh we have a motion to recommend for passage on order 2021-135 made by councillor mcmaster seconded by president sanella on discussion seeing none madam clerk will you please call the role chair mcnaught yes vice chair eccles
▶ 1:10:43 Councilor Tramontozzi? Yes. Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councilor Garipay? Yes. Councilor Grigoraitis? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes. Councilor Thomas? Yes. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Sonnella? Yes. 11 yes. The motion passes. Thank you, Chief Lyle, for being with us this evening. I think we can let you go. Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your evening. You as well. Next, we have Order 2021-96, amending Melrose Revised Zoning Ordinance to create incentive zoning provisions and related zoning map and parking regulation amendments as set forth herein. I believe we have Chair Sampson of the planning board with us. as well as Director Gaffey. Good evening. Good evening, Director Gaffey and Chair Sampson.
▶ 1:12:06 Denise Gaffey: Good evening. I was going to give you the floor first to speak to the, I guess we call it the response letter, I forget the name of the letter. If you'd like to do that, give an overview of that. Sure, so I'm planning to just start out by making a few remarks about the report and then Greg will also participate to clarify any, any elements of report report that need clarification. And then, of course, we'll. We're happy to answer any questions. Um. So, we're here, we're here to circle back to report back on the zoning proposal. That was submitted by the planning board to the city council. Um, this zoning, um, just for our listeners out there, there's only provides provisions to incentivize mixed use development.
▶ 1:13:01 Denise Gaffey: And our transit oriented areas includes a map change that would move approximately 13 parcels in the southern edge of the downtown between grove and 1 only street. From the 1 zoning district to the 2 zoning district. So, these parcels, so that those parcels can take advantage of the incentive provisions. And the zoning proposal, it proposes some miscellaneous adjustments to the zoning, particularly as they relate to parking. In terms of process, there was a public hearing that occurred on April 29th. That was a joint public hearing. Between the planning board and the city council as required by statute. And then there was a further hearing discussion with the appropriations committee on May 6.
▶ 1:13:45 Denise Gaffey: The zoning subcommittee met subsequent to those meetings, those hearings on May 18th. To review all of the comments that were discussed. At both of these sessions of the public hearing members also reviewed all the comments that were submitted in writing to the council. And some additional comments that were submitted in writing directly to the planning board. There's only subcommittee thoroughly considered all of the comments that were made. and has made some recommended changing to the proposed zoning amendments in response to those comments. And the 21 also met on May 28th, I believe, or May 20th, sorry, I think it was May 24th. And they voted on those revisions. And these revisions have been summarized in the report
▶ 1:14:37 Denise Gaffey: to the city council that we submitted June 1st. Um, and in addition to the report, the report basically analyzes all the comments that were made summarizes them and, um, and and make some suggested revisions. And we have, um, copy, we have provided those revisions to the council. In a document that is dated, um, May 27. Oh, that's. So, we are where we are with the process and I, I just point out that, um, you know, we, we're very pleased with all the, the comments that we've received. I feel like there's been a really robust process and a lot of great, great comments and great participation from the public. Um, 1 of the most significant issues that was raised, um, and that we've really been considering throughout the whole process.
▶ 1:15:33 Denise Gaffey: is how to incorporate sustainability into this zoning provision. And we did get a lot of comments from members of the Mellows Energy Commission that there should be mandatory requirements for green building practices in order to take advantage of the incentives that the zoning provides. So, we gave that some serious consideration and actually we recommend moving The green building practice section that was that had, it was originally presented as an optional community benefit to 1 of the required benefits. And we thought that was a good suggestion and. So, we have made some, we have proposed some language in this revision that, um. That addresses that comment and, um. We, you know, we did get.
▶ 1:16:24 Denise Gaffey: A lot of, um. There's a sentiment to to try to make that standard or those requirements. Extremely rigorous as it relates to net 0 and. Passive house construction, so this is something that the planning board kind of had to weigh very carefully because. We, we wanted to, we're trying to create a flexible tool that is a balance. Um, approach and provides for a number of different community benefits. So, 1 of the 1 of the ideas that we did not adopt is this idea of a particular building certification. Um, so we, we sort of explain our thinking around that in the report and we think we've come up with a really good compromise by requiring a menu of, um, of building, um, green building design standards in, in, as a, as a requirement.
▶ 1:17:18 Denise Gaffey: So, that's 1 of the elements of the revisions that are being proposed. Um, another comment that was raised at the public hearing. Was, uh, uh, interest in expanding the boundary. Of the, um, map change that was proposed for, um, the medical zoning district. And we had some interest among the word counselor to expand that boundary change. Um, East to Lebanon street, which was incorporated in the original proposal, but then also to the north to hospital square to try to encompass more more of the property that's currently zone for medical that. We felt would be better zoned, um, similar to our, our downtown zoning. Um, so we, we gave that consideration some thought, and we also factored in some concerns that we received from the preservation community.
▶ 1:18:15 Denise Gaffey: Um, it was pointed out to us that, um, there are a number of parcels in that particular. Uh, zoning district boundary change that we were proposing. That were also in the historic district. And, um, there was a concern that we might be sending a message to developers that we were trying to. Promote the redevelopment of the, um, the parcels that are in the historic district. Um, which was which, which is the concern that we, we recognize, um. Could be, uh, you know, we could provide that perception and we thought that was legitimate concern. We were, you know, to sort of, um, kind of go back to what our original, um. Objective was this location we were trying to. Um, we were, we were trying to allow for the redevelopment of the cruces property in a way that better reflects the city's.
▶ 1:19:11 Denise Gaffey: Vision for that area and I think. What we realized is in the process of. Of looking at this more closely that they are. It seems like we might want to step back and. Take a closer look at the entire medical district and rather than just focusing on those particular parcels. And and give that its own consideration. And including all the stakeholders that would have an interest in that from the hospital to other medical business owners to residents in the district. And to enter the preservation community, so we feel that at this time, it would be better to take that particular map change out of his own proposal. And we would prefer to to have a separate zoning effort. I'm looking specifically at the metal medical zoning district.
▶ 1:20:05 Denise Gaffey: Um, so that is the recommendation that is in revised zoning amendment. There were some comments raised. I think there was some concern or confusion about. Affordable housing and whether affordable housing would be required of any developments in the incentive zone zoning district. And I think that was just some confusion about some language that was struck out of the zoning because it's now. It's it's obsolete language now that we have affordable housing zoning. So we just. Clarifying the report that any development, you know, in Melrose, including any development that's going to take advantage of the incentive zoning provisions will still require 15% contribution, a 15% contribution of affordable units.
▶ 1:20:55 Denise Gaffey: And obviously, if they're taking advantage of some increase in density through the incentive zoning tool, then that's even more affordable units that would be created. So, we just sought to clarify that point. There was also some concern raised at the public hearing about open space and a sentiment that we were concerned that we were. Eliminating the open space requirement for parcels that are using the incentives only tool and. What we really seek to do here is to recognize that a lot of those parcels don't have. They don't have open space to begin with. There's no real. Practical way to construct open space. So we, we think that a more flexible approach to open space, which allows for balconies and other types of green roofs and roof decks and things of that nature would be more appropriate.
▶ 1:21:53 Denise Gaffey: So, um, clarify that in the report. You got a comment from a member of the public who was concerned that we were. um we were promoting parking in the front yard and that piece we just wanted to clarify in the report but we were actually just doing some housekeeping with that section of the zoning because it was um it was referenced that provision around front yard parking was referenced twice and in conflicting ways in our zoning ordinance so we took we attempt to clarify um the rules around front yard parking and we do think it's appropriate and we see a lot of cases with two family homes where parking in tandem is appropriate so we do clarify that as an appropriate use but the zoning itself is not changing any way of interpreting park it is not allowing for people
▶ 1:22:49 Denise Gaffey: to park in front of their homes we also received a comment a couple of comments from an architect who was who has looked pretty closely at the zoning provisions and thought we really wanted to have a height limitation for five-story buildings of 65 feet versus 62 and that's just a recognition that for mixed-use building which again those are the types of buildings that we're trying to promote in in the real the business neighborhood districts about where this tool would apply um the additional couple of feet is necessary in order to have um appropriate floor-to-ceiling height for commercial space in mixed-use buildings so we would recommend making that modification from 62 feet to 65 feet we also got a comment about compact spaces and a suggestion that it might be beneficial to increase
▶ 1:23:51 Denise Gaffey: the amount of compact spaces that we would allow in our base zoning um right now we don't allow for any we're proposing to allow for up to 30 through this zoning change and um there was a suggestion that we we consider going up to 50 there are some certainly some benefits to doing that in terms of the amount of space that's needed for compact cars and the less less pavement associated with that um more flexibility with with building building design but we also are a little concerned about making sure that that's functional um in a given building so we were recommending um consideration of going up to 50 but doing that um through a special permit that would be issued by the planning board so it would become part of a process of reviewing a proposal
▶ 1:24:45 Denise Gaffey: And the point would would have to, you know, determine whether that was appropriate, given the specific circumstances of a project. Um, we also received a comment about. Change the amendment that's recommended around loading spaces. Um, some of the comments that. are concerned that um changing the loading space requirement would cause additional traffic congestion or be unsafe and we feel the planning board feels that um it's reasonable to allow for to change the the minimum uh commercial space requirement to 5 000 feet before loading space is required um otherwise we would get into a situation where where it we would have a lot of space dedicated towards loading um in our downtown areas where it's really just not feasible
▶ 1:25:47 Denise Gaffey: to do so especially for small for many of the small commercial developments small commercial businesses that we see voting just isn't it's not really a big concern it can be done in off hours and this is the type of of consideration that the planning board would set carefully in any event through site plan review so we did not recommend making any changes to the proposal um when it comes to the local space requirement um finally we uh we wanted to comment a bit about the concern that was raised that there was not there was insufficient stakeholder participation and um we i think we felt that there was actually quite a bit of participation in this zoning amendment um we actually began we get we began working on this back in july of 2020 and we held
▶ 1:26:41 Denise Gaffey: four to five zoning subcommittee meetings throughout the summer and the fall of last year and all of those subcommittee meetings were were public meetings and we um entertained comments from members of the public including members of the energy commission and the bike pedestrian committee in all of those meetings um also at our planning board meetings we planning board as a full full boardings met at least twice on the zoning and in all those instances we obtained comments from the public we read all of the comments that were submitted on the record for this proposal and there were quite a few people that participated in the public hearing both on the 29th and the 6th of May so we feel like there's been actually quite a bit of
▶ 1:27:29 Denise Gaffey: stakeholder participation in this zoning and we're really actually pleased with all the feedback that we've received and I feel like the planning board has been very responsive to that and has made changes to the proposed zoning amendment in response to all of that feedback so that's That's pretty much a summary of the report that's been submitted and I'm happy to answer some questions and Greg might want to comment as well. And we can, we can also walk through the actual revisions if you like, to the, to the proposed zoning. We, we submitted those in highlighted form. where we highlighted all of the changes and they're not they're not aren't very many changes as you saw from the report but we did um highlight those so so that they were clear but happy to take
▶ 1:28:23 Jeff McNaught: any questions and comments about that thank you miss gaffey um sorry to jump in right away but we do have to recess for a moment so that we can open public works uh the committee so i'll entertain a motion to recess. Motion to recess. Second. Motion to recess made by Vice Chair Eccles, seconded by Councilor Garipay. Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll? Chair McNaught. Yes. Yes. Vice Chair Eccles. Yes. Councilor Tramontozzi. Yes. Yes. Councilor McMaster. Yes. Yes. Councilor Garipay. Yes. Councilor Gargaritas? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes. Councilor Thomas? Yes. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Zanella? Yes. Levin, yes. Motion passes. Chair Thomas, it's all yours. Thank you, Chairman McNaught. Tonight is June 3rd.
▶ 1:38:15 Jeff McNaught: We're back in action. Ms. Gaffey, you had just finished presenting, and I believe you had said you were ready to take questions. I didn't know if Chair Sampson was going to touch on anything else there. You want to go right to the questions? That would be fine. Thank you. I think the report by Ms. Gaffey was complete. Great. Thank you. First, I have Vice Chair Eccles in the queue. Do I have any other hands? I have Councilor McLeroy, Councilor Garipay, Councilor McMaster. Anyone else I'm missing? Okay. Vice Chair Eccles. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just as a point of clarity, having read the report, all of the changes, and I think you already said this, all of the changes on Emerson and Main are actually
▶ 1:39:15 Denise Gaffey: that's going to be part of a separate process. That's correct. We're recommending that it would be better to remove that map change from this zoning proposal and treat it separately with a separate process, so we can dig a little bit deeper into all of the issues around the medical district zoning. Presumably all of the things that were mentioned is. You know, misaligned with your vision for the with that area are still valid, right? Yeah, very much so, and we weren't as concerned. As the members of the preservation community were about the conflict between. The zoning and the historic district designation. I mean, those are separate. There are separate regulations. Um, you know, the, the zoning change wouldn't take away any of the historic district commission's jurisdiction any that they have currently and.
▶ 1:40:22 Denise Gaffey: The reality is there are several different zoning districts. Throughout the whole historic district, so it is just a. Fact, I mean, there's different zoning. Um, you have to continue with zoning regulations and. Historic district regulations, but we did it didn't just it did raise the raise that plus the sort of, um, the, you know, the interest in moving the boundaries around. Just sort of got us thinking it made sense to really step back and kind of look more holistically at the whole, um, medical zoning. And we think there's probably other parcels that may also want to change and we just kind of want to. Look at that, you know, in a bigger picture, to your point, the historic district commission in the in the planning for kind of have all separate jurisdictions.
▶ 1:41:17 Jack Eccles: And so someone could, you know, want to take advantage of the incentive zoning, but if the historic district commission granted them from demoing, that's kind of left there. Right? That's true. Right. That would not change their, their authority. And then there would be no other historic mechanism to preserve anything outside of the historic district. So, if we made a change to the zone, they someone, anyone. Could make a change, right? If it if it. Gave it got a special permit or variance or whatever it's required, right? Yes, yeah, I was. A little disappointed to see that the half the, the whole thing. Cut in half a bit, so it'd be nice to, you know, see what the next process is going to look like for.
▶ 1:42:08 Denise Gaffey: For that, because I know a lot of people have been there specifically is what was called out. The first is real big forward to that next process. Sure. Yeah. And we still think the, um, the zoning proposal as is great the way it is. It's the, the district, which is the 3 districts around the community real stations. I mean, those. Those provide a lot of great opportunities for the kind of smart growth and transit oriented development that we really want to promote. Um, the, uh, this, this, this district, the medical district is, is a little bit different and I think it does behoove us to kind of. Think about it a little bit, you know, just give it, give it a little bit more thought in terms of how we approach it.
▶ 1:42:53 Denise Gaffey: It's not to say we wouldn't propose a similar type of incentive approach to those parcels in the future. That could very well. Um, happen, but, um, and we, we certainly hope to take a look at this, um, as soon as we, um. We have this behind us, and we're hoping to have our housing production plan completed in the next couple of months. I think that will be sort of our jumping off point for. For, um, for looking at the medical district. Yeah, because just to kind of the historic just to understand their just a little bit. It doesn't necessarily have to prevent someone from. Demolition demolishing a building if it if it makes sense, right? No, there's nothing in the in their enabling legislation that.
▶ 1:43:40 Leila Migliorelli: That that that says they have to oppose the demolition. In fact, they've approved. Demolitions in the historic district in the very recent past. Including the bill, the new Kevin, you know, building. Right, that's in the district. Well, thank you both for separating us through the process. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. Thank you. Vice chair. Councilor. Thank you Mr. chairman and thank you. Ms. Kathy and Mr. Samson for being here tonight. I just want to sort of echo Councilor Eccles comments about just being disappointed that the, this proposal was cut half essentially. Could you, you mentioned that there was some feedback, negative feedback about this. I was looking through the IQM2 and just trying to find out whether we have that any of that documented. I'm just, I was a little taken aback.
▶ 1:44:38 Leila Migliorelli: I'm looking at this proposal and seeing that kind of dramatic change to not including an area, a parcel that I think, I know I can speak for myself campaigning, you know, a couple of years ago, Caruso's was like, one of the top things that I kept hearing about. what are you going to do about Caruso's space? And I'm just concerned that this move is just delaying that and sort of protracting that conversation. So if you can just maybe speak to what type of feedback you received negatively about including this, and then maybe secondarily, it sounds like maybe you would kind of still move, you could still come up with a similar plan, but perhaps you're being asked for more time or more input from other parties. I just want to
▶ 1:45:30 Denise Gaffey: kind of break that part down a little bit for me. So it was a combination of things. It wasn't strictly comments from the preservation community, although we did receive those. I think that the council received some comments of concern about that. I remember hearing them at the May 6th hearing and i think i've read some of those comments we also received directly a comment letter from one of the members of the historic district commission i don't think that actually was submitted as part of this order i think that may have come directly to the planning board um so there they were just concerned about the sort of the perception that partly the perception that we're sending by by promoting um or incentivizing development in some of the
▶ 1:46:17 Denise Gaffey: some of the parcels that are in the historic district and outside not include that's not Caruso's but those are south but also I think you know you know the ward council who is very concerned about having inappropriate development in those areas understanding that the base zone and currently allows for eight-story buildings even though it's very impractical and probably impossible in most cases unless many parcels were merged um you know he was he was asking us to move the boundaries and and i think what we felt was um got to a point where we thought we needed to just think about it some more and it wasn't that these were bad suggestions it's just that we needed to give more thought to it and we thought we were better off just taking the
▶ 1:47:12 Denise Gaffey: proposal that we have which we're very comfortable with in the ba2 districts and moving forward with that and then and then giving the time allowing the time that we need to just take a closer look at the medical district zoning and the medical district has been zoned that way for 50 years and it's a pretty large area and much of it makes sense it's where the hospital is located and there's been a lot of medical uses that have grown up around that and we think that is completely appropriate but then i think the further you get away from the hospital and certainly along main street you might want to consider different uses there um and different zoning so so we do think it just it warrants a closer look um and i also will say just about caruso's um you know yes we
▶ 1:48:04 Denise Gaffey: All are anxious to see that redeveloped. And we would prefer that it not require variances to do so. It is a very challenging site with the culvert under the building and some other. Considerations that would almost make it. A case where our variances would probably be strongly considered. I probably shouldn't say that, but I mean, that's that's the reality there. Um, so I'm not 100% concerned that a project. we not go forward even without the zoning change but that said we would really like to spend you know to align the zoning correctly with what we want to see if i could just add one thing um as well as you know and what really happens is when you start to look at the district boundaries and
▶ 1:48:53 what we were doing here was we looked and said the bd let's let's call it a b ba one um and there's a comparison of the existing uses and when you start to to shift the boundary to incorporate more parcels a lot of which are very small parcels many of which have medical uses on the first floor some of which have them on the second floor what we thought was maybe the ba isn't the perfect match necessarily and maybe it requires a new district um maybe it needs to blend to the south a bit to capture like cambridge savings bank um as well and so that that ended up being you know i personally would love to have seen us do something at this point to promote the redevelopment of that area but it seems like we could take this and maybe come up with a package
▶ 1:49:47 that is more tailored towards the needs and the site-specific conditions in this area it may address some other concerns in the bd district in general so i think it is a something that we do need to do in the short term um you know is it i'll just say this this process itself is one of those process that um generated as much work as it accomplished um you know we have there was a suggestion of looking at the lower washington street there was a suggestion of continuing to focus on um green building practices and looking at the city's net zero plan so you know we have we have a lot of work that will come out of this right away but i think the planning board is very engaged and the city itself is very engaged to try and continue to move good good proposals forward
▶ 1:50:44 Leila Migliorelli: thank you um one other piece of just clarification um were the i think you mentioned this before in terms of public participation that people who lived in the era budding these districts had received some sort of communication about these changes right and for this um there around the emerson street had you heard back from any of those residents regarding the proposed changes we heard back from one business owner on emerson and we who was just you know wanted more information um didn't seem particularly concerned one way or the other okay thank you very much thank you miss gaffey for being here thank you chair sampson um just one i want to touch on one one uh one thing uh in our conversations and you and i think you both both have alluded to it that
▶ 1:51:40 Denise Gaffey: you want to try to make these changes on the medical district sooner than later do you have a particular time frame that you're looking at um get this accomplished i mean this is only a temporary hold up right oh absolutely right um i think it's realistic well um greg might have different ideas um but i'm thinking it's realistic to to circle back on it in the fall you're going going to be releasing the housing production plan around that time around the september time frame and i think that's that will be a good time for us it'll free up some time for us and it'll also be a good time for us to dig in on that zoning that seemed reasonable great no i think it's it's good i mean i'll be disappointed if if a year from now there isn't a fully vetted plan before
▶ 1:52:36 Shawn M. MacMaster: the city council again um you know i originally would have liked to have thrown a proposal out you know in the middle of november but i figured that probably wasn't a good idea um in general so we figure if we spend the fall planning it and then get ready to kick it off um late winter early spring i think that will provide for a good result with the right amount of public input thank you thank you council Garipay councillor mcmaster Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good evening, Ms. Gaffey and Mr. Sampson. I have two questions. One relates to the green building and sustainable design practices. The amended proposed ordinance says, quote, package of green building and sustainable design practices. That's the language that's in there now as a requirement.
▶ 1:53:34 Shawn M. MacMaster: I'm wondering how, or package isn't defined, so I'm wondering, is there a reason it's not defined? And how will it be determined what constitutes a package and how will that standard be considered by the planning board when there's a proposal before you? Right. Do you want to take that one? Sure. Um. So, so it is not defined the package. Um, what we were seeking to do was make certain that. The requirement, um, led to the inclusion of more than 1 strategy that would qualify as green building. Um, there are a number of, you know, recognized rating systems, like lead and passive house. That, you know, have a laundry list of different, um. Approaches you can take to green buildings, you know, some of them consider site selection. Some of them consider reuse of materials. Some of them consider.
▶ 1:54:39 Locally source materials, and given the projects we see. In ours, we thought, you know, allowing a component of the project to kind of present. their plan to you know accomplish as many as is feasible was was the right approach um they still have to meet the requirement where they're balancing uh the benefits that they're receiving from the incentive zoning with the overall amenities they're providing to the community so that that's a fundamental guiding principle in this owning um but we are really welcoming the kind of you know creativity that the market could play we may look to um you know what one of the other to do's is the possible inclusion of um you know design standards that the city could adopt um as regulations and which would guide site design to include you know maybe a
▶ 1:55:37 Shawn M. MacMaster: checklist of practices that have to be submitted to the planning board as part of an application And a proponent could go through and say, we did X, Y, and Z, but A, B, and C was not feasible. So it sounds like it was purposeful and thoughtful, not an oversight, that you want to have some discretion as a planning board to determine what constitutes a package. and typically it sounds like that would be by virtue of the word constitute more than one but the requirement may be more depending on what is put forth by an applicant is that fair to say that is fair to say and I think you know the technology here is emerging rapidly I think in the report we mentioned that the governor signed legislation recently that
▶ 1:56:26 Shawn M. MacMaster: requires the adoption of a green building a net zero building code within 18 months and so that you know presumably um melrose is always paid on the forefront if we adopt that that would that would really shift um our energy code standards to be incredibly strict and you that maybe we're balancing what the proponent offers to be accomplish other you know means as well On top of that, and do you see any scenario where a package. Um, and I use the word package loosely may actually be less than. 2, so maybe 1 robust practice that at the planning board's discretion, it feels like goes above and beyond. Maybe what standard in the failed. um just trying to again get a better sense of package i i could envision something if someone
▶ 1:57:28 came in and said they're gonna they're gonna commit to obtaining you know a lead gold certification you know that that would actually accomplish the numerous green building practices in of itself but if the board had the level of comfort that that was you know what was proposed Otherwise I would expect, you know, most, almost all of the projects we regularly review now come in with a number of sustainability features involved. You know, we're reviewing a project with solar panels and, you know, we've been very flexible in waiving parking requirements. So there's a number of things that we see regularly. What we're really hoping to see people bring to the table is, you know, electrification where possible,
▶ 1:58:16 Shawn M. MacMaster: where there's no gas used for hvac uh no natural gas um we could also look at um you know additional sealing and glazing to meet almost a low emission standard for the buildings and thank you mr samson miss gaffey i had one question for you regarding the uh historical uh district um you mentioned the both in your memo on page three and tonight that the uh there are independent uh regulations the zoning regulations and the historical uh district uh regulations i'm wondering what that process looks like if a proposal comes in there's an application for a project in the historical commission um does the process is it in tandem i'm just wondering what type of conflict or tension might exist between the processes and the regulation and the concern being are there
▶ 1:59:15 Denise Gaffey: any scenarios where an applicant may get too far down the rabbit hole in terms of permits and fees and whatnot and because the process has gone down one road and then for instance the Historical District Commission has an objection. So just trying to better understand what that process looks like and if there's any inherent conflict or tension. Sure, and, um, it's a fair question and there can be an inherent conflict or attention. Um, we cannot dictate what order. Uh, uh, an applicant, you know, proceeds in, um, but there have been many instances in recent years where, um, review and approval has been required both by the planning board and the historic district commission. Um, I can cite, you know, half dozen projects.
▶ 2:00:02 Denise Gaffey: On the last couple of years where that's been the case, and normally, generally speaking that it works. Um, it works very well. They, they will, an applicant will usually initiate the process with both groups at the same time and almost do them in tandem. And so there's some cross. Participation amongst the different boards in the proposal. Um, so generally speaking, it, it works pretty smoothly. but they do have separate jurisdiction and separate statutes that they have to adhere to. Thank you both. And thank you for your work on this. I was pleased in reading the report to see how much thought was put into it and how much of the input that was provided from both public hearings were considered.
▶ 2:00:50 Jen Grigoraitis: So thank you for your efforts. Thank you. Thank you, Council McMaster, Council Grigoraitis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you both for being here tonight. And I just. A couple of comments I just wanted to again underscore the vast amount of work that the planning board does both on this. Amendment and just on everything for our community. You are all volunteers. We are so grateful that you lend your expertise and your vision to your city. So thank you for that. Just thinking about some of the things you volunteer to take on tonight after this is a little humbling. So just please know that it is noticed and appreciated. With the changes that have been made, this basically becomes a Ward 6 zoning amendment.
▶ 2:01:36 Jen Grigoraitis: And as the ward counselor, I just wanted to offer my support for this. I do have spoken with residents who actually live in what is BA1 and will now become BA2. And I know they had an opportunity to speak to Venus Gaffey and they're wholeheartedly in support of seeing more density and development, right, you know, next door to them. So that really echoes with me. So I appreciate the thought and time that went into this and the engagement with other groups. And at this time I would motion to recommend for passage. Second. We have a motion to recommend for passage made by Councilor Grigoraitis, seconded by Vice Chair Eccles on discussion. Seeing none, Ms. Clark, will you please call the roll?
▶ 2:02:22 Chair McNaught? Yes, yes. Vice Chair Eccles? Yes, yes. Councilor Tramontozzi? Yes. Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councilor Garipay? Yes. Councilor Grigoraitis? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes. Councilor Thomas? Yes. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Cinella? Yes. 11 yes, the motion passes. Thank you. Miss Kathy and Mr. Samson for being here tonight. For all the work for this. Thank you. Thank you all. And at this time, that concludes our business for the evening. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn 2nd, motion to adjourn made by Councilor seconded by Councilor. Madam clerk, will you please call the role. Chair McNaught? Yes. Vice Chair Eccles? Yes. Councilor Tramontozzi? Yes.
▶ 2:03:34 Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councilor Garipay? Yes. Councilor Grigoraitis? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes. Councilor Thomas? Yes. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Sinella? Yes, 11 yes, we are adjourned and from what I understand the Bruins are up 1 and nothing. So.