Appropriations & Oversight Committee — 2014-10-27
Attendance
Jaclyn L. Bird ; Robert A. Boisselle ; Donald L. Conn Jr. ; Scott M. Forbes ; Gail Infurna ; Jennifer L. Lemmerman ; Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis ; Monica C. Medeiros ; Peter D. Mortimer ; John N. Tramontozzi ; Francis X. Wright Jr.
Agenda
- Call to Order
- Public Participation
- Orders
- ORDER-2015-49 : Acceptance of EMD Grant from the Commonwealth of Mass., Executive Office of Public Safety and Security, State 911 Department; Fund #4006
- ORDER-2015-50 : An appropriation of $702,653.95 from available free cash to various accounts as set forth within
- Adjournment
Minutes
CITY OF MELROSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE CALENDAR● OCTOBER 27, 2014 Aldermanic Chamber Committee Meeting 7:30 PM The public should take notice that the Melrose Board of Aldermen may, on certain occasions, have a quorum in attendance due to standing committees of the Board of Aldermen consisting of both voting and non-voting members. Members attending this duly posted meeting are participating and deliberating only in conjunction with the business of the standing committee. Attendee Name Title Status Arrived John N. Tramontozzi Chairman Present Jaclyn L. Bird Vice Chairman Present Monica C. Medeiros Alderman at Large Present Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis Alderman at Large Absent Gail M. Infurna Ward 5 Alderman Present Robert A. Boisselle Ward 4 Alderman Present Scott M. Forbes Ward 7 Alderman Present Francis X. Wright Jr. Ward 3 Alderman Present Jennifer L. Lemmerman Ward 2 Alderman Present Peter D. Mortimer Ward 6 Alderman Present Donald L. Conn Jr. President/Ex-officio Member Present In Attendance: Police Chief Mike Lyle; CFO/City Auditor Patrick Dello Russo; Director of Public Works John Scenna; Fire Chief Christopher Leary; Director of Community Services Mike Lindstrom; IT Director Jorge Pazos; Melrose Athletic Hall of Fame representative John Connery.
ORDER-2015-49 Acceptance Acceptance of EMD Grant from the Commonwealth of Mass., Executive Office of Public Safety and Security, State 911 Department; Fund #4006 Recommend Passage Board of Aldermen
ORDER-2015-50 Appropriation An appropriation of $702,653.95 from available free cash to various accounts as set forth within Recommend Passage Board of Aldermen City of Melrose Page 1 Updated 10/28/2014 3:02 PM
Transcript
▶ 0:00 John N. Tramontozzi: Good evening. This is Monday, October 27, 2014. It's the Appropriations Committee meeting of the City of Melrose Board of Aldermen. For the record, this meeting, in pursuant to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts laws, is open to the public, viewed, available for viewing to the public through MMTV. And it's being recorded for the public viewing and listening. Motion to open the floor for public participation, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, before we entertain that motion, I just want to introduce myself. Alderman Chairman Tozzi, Chairman of the Appropriations Committee. This, with us this evening is Vice Chair Alderman Bird. Alderman at Large, Monica Medeiros, Ward 5, Alderman Gail Inferno, Ward 4, Alderman Robert Boisdaro,
▶ 1:03 John N. Tramontozzi: Ward 7, Alderman Scott Forbes, Ward 3, Alderman Frank Wright, Ward 2, Alderman Jennifer Lemmerman, Ward 6, Alderman Peter Mortimer, and President of the Board of Aldermen, Donald Alcorn, Jr. and uh we do have a motion on the floor to open the floor for public participation by alderman mortimer seconded by alderman Boisselle on the motion all in favor aye aye any opposed seeing none uh this is the opportunity for any members of the public who wish to come forward to speak on any matter on our agenda this evening please come forward and identify yourselves for the record motion to close public participation all right seeing no uh members of the public wishing to come forward this evening we have a motion to close the floor for public participation by
▶ 1:49 John N. Tramontozzi: alderman inferna second and by alderman mortimer on the motion all in favor aye any opposed public participation is now over at this time we will proceed to the orders on the agenda our first order of business is order 2015-49 acceptance of emd grant from the commonwealth of massachusetts executive office of public safety and security state 9-1-1 department fund number four zero zero six we have a motion to suspend the rules second alderman medeiros uh moves to suspend the rules so we can hear from the appropriate uh personnel as seconded by alderman inferno on the motion all in favor aye any opposed seeing none um we have uh some members of the uh the city administration who wish to come forward to speak uh about this order uh please come forward i see chief lyles
▶ 2:40 here chief good evening it's been a while this grant here is something that we have had the fortunate duties of the past several years to been applied for it and accepted under part of this grant, we're required to provide an EMD resource, emergency medical dispatch resource. Our current vendor is Cataldo Ambulance. Their fee is $18,000 a year. For a little insight, when a medical call comes in 911 to the police department, it is transferred to Cataldo Ambulance where they tier the call, the level of service, And then it's transferred back to the fire department for deployment of EMS. That's part one. The other part of the grant, 60,930.69, is for training. Every year our officers and supervisors are required to do an annual recertification, 16 hours.
▶ 3:42 John N. Tramontozzi: The 60,000 odd dollars covers the fees for instructors to come to Melrose and teach our officers and supervisors their 16 hour course. This is a non-matching grant. Great. Thank you for that introduction, Chief. Is there any, we'll entertain any questions from the board. Any members of the board wish to ask any questions, Chief? Make a motion to recommend? Second. Good, we have a motion by Alderman Forbes to recommend, seconded by Alderman Mortimer. Any further discussion? Seeing none on the motion, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Great. Chief, thank you. This order will be moved to the full board meeting for, where it will be recommended for passage. Thank you. Thanks, Chief. Thank you. The second order this evening is order number 2015-50.
▶ 4:29 It's an appropriation in the amount of $702,653.95 from available free cash to various accounts as set forth herein. We are under suspension of rules. Do we have any members of the administration who wish to come forward to speak on this? I see Mr. Shenna and auditor Mr. De La Russo. Good evening. Good evening, everybody. Good evening. I made the request before you. The first item is for the snow and ice deficit that was realized as a result of last year FOI 14's operations. The amount is $467,978.95. The actual expenditures for the year were a million, again, snow year, but fiscal year also, $1,040,890.31. The actual total dollars that were expended for snow and ice in FY14. As a result of transfers and a previous appropriation, we were able to get that amount down to $467,978.95 as the amount that we must cover for the fiscal year.
▶ 6:06 That was the deficit, and the first item is to pay that deficit off. Do you want to proceed to the balance of those? Yes, sir. order and then we'll entertain questions at the end sure i can speak to um a few of the others the transfer to public works landscaping supplies historically this time of the year we fund our annual tree planting program this funding will purchase 75 trees these are not road road program trees those trees that are being installed that you've seen installed over the last few weeks are funded through the projects these are for individual residents resident requests that come in throughout the course of the year so this purchases the trees the trees will be installed by our in-house crew the um the appropriation of five thousand dollars
▶ 7:02 the parks hired equipment um historically well the three years that the field has been in place we have we have been changing we have been introducing a sure I get this right a dura dura edge clay into Morelli field dura edge is a product it's a clay product that when you mix it in with native clay it helps dry the field out faster this is not something that you typically build an infield with because the great expense but when you start to introduce it once a year or every other year it helps it helps prolong the use during the season we first introduced it last year last fall and we saw we saw a huge success in in in terms of turning the field back around when it rained we'd like to do that again this fall um so that's what that trans that appropriations for
▶ 8:03 municipal building repair is an appropriation that's coming into public works with the main purpose of addressing needs at the fire station chief Larry's with me this evening and we can speak to this more in depth but basically it involves the creation of a female and male bathroom facility at Central Station and also addresses some needs that arose over the summer at the tremont street station when during one of the flash floods the overhead door to the basement was damaged water entered the basement and resulted in a cleanup so this this funding takes care of both of those issues the sixty thousand dollars in school contractual is to replace the hot water tanks at the melrose veterans middle school there are two 400 gallon
▶ 8:57 commercial grade tanks that were installed in 2005 both have five-year warranties we've exceeded that lifespan and the funding appropriation before you is to replace them with new tanks that have 15-year warranties three times the life expectancy of the first tanks school maintenance school equipment maintenance is a a joint project very similar to our playground partnerships we've partnered in this instance with the hall of fame to make some improvements to their displays outside of the auditorium and i have i actually have if i may through the chair i have a letter from the alderman i'm sorry a letter from the mayor to the board of alderman this is from mayor dolan i'm just going to read his letter of support
▶ 9:53 they're members of the Board of Aldermen I'm asking your support for all of the free cash orders before you however I would like to draw particular attention to the request for nine thousand eight hundred seventy five dollars for school equipment maintenance this money would be used to assist in the completion of the moving and renovations of the Melrose Athletic Hall of Fame joining you tonight will be John Connery and some of his board members many of whom were the founding members of the hall of fame over the past several years we have made a concerted effort to partner with organizations that benefit our city in so many ways to make lasting and significant improvements to our communities we have seen this type of partnership with youth
▶ 10:39 soccer and little league and more recently with our ptos with contributions towards the renovation of our playgrounds i believe strongly that when these service organizations form a partnership with the city of melrose projects get completed at a very high level and i think the results speak for themselves over the last year and a half the melrose hall of fame set a goal to remove the hall of fame from the resource center at melrose high school which was an out of the way location and move it to the entry corridor of the new gymnasium at the middle school they have invested thousands of dollars to celebrate melrose athletic history and to make the hall of fame a destination location for melroseans and a source of pride for our alumni in our community this
▶ 11:25 investment in the final banner project which will be explained to you this evening by mr connery is a fitting completion to this new and exciting addition to our community a fully revamped and renovated melrose hall of fame the hall of fame committee has worked tirelessly in fundraising to get us to where we are today i believe it is the city's obligation to help complete this endeavor i ask for your support thank you mayor rob darlin mr connery is here if there are any questions in that regard yeah um if i may through the chair the next item i'd like to address is the request for the stabilization trust fund of fifty thousand dollars um again as the board is aware this is an item that we fund each and every year and we have
▶ 12:17 for for a number of years and i couldn't be more pleased prior to this request as of october 22nd there was approximately one million six hundred and sixteen thousand and twenty eight dollars in the fund if this is approved we will have over one million six hundred and sixty six thousand twenty eight dollars in the fund i think that covers most of the if not all the items uh president Conn yeah mr delarusso this is an awfully large appropriation out of our free cash for this early in the year what are we going to have left as our free cash balance uh if this order prevails 2 million 480 000 371 05 and is there is there no funding source in the school budget to pay for the school maintenance project um my understanding is that that was not a budgeted
▶ 13:25 expense is there any line left in the school budget that would cover this anymore or has that been moved all to the public works budget that's all been moved and just just a general question it seems to me that we're becoming more and more reliant on um on our free cash in terms of budgeting and i'm a little bit concerned about that um you know we used free cash from last fiscal year to balance the school budget um and we seem to be spending quite a bit of it are you at all alarmed by this mr del russo um through the chair my concern was and always will be that we have a healthy free cash and we do in fact use it to fund a portion of the school's budget pre-cash can be used to fund both the current year and it is a valid revenue source from
▶ 14:32 the Department of Revenue to fund an ensuing year's budget. So they allow that. I'm not trying to imply that we're doing anything that's improper or illegal. It just seems that it's not a set recurring revenue source and I think we're using it to a great extent in our budgeting, greater than maybe I would like to see. And I certainly wouldn't like to see next year a situation, again, where we're taking this year's free cash and putting it towards the school budget to balance the school budget out. I think that's a dangerous precedent. I know it's lawful to do this, but I'm concerned about budgeting in that way. It gives me concern. Understood. That's all I have right now. Very good. Alderman Wright.
▶ 15:20 Francis X. Wright Jr.: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. with regards to the fire station 75,000 so that we can build out separate female and male bathrooms is that correct at the Central Station and my recollection is that some point over the summer Melrose brought on its first female firefighter I assume that's what precipitated this I can ask I'll ask the Chief to join us and speak to that. Chief Larry, come forward, yes, thank you. Yes, over the summer we hired our first female firefighter. She graduated the academy two weeks ago. So we're looking to remodel the current bathroom and make two bathrooms out of it, male and a female. She'll be living there 24 hours a day when she's working, so we need to make the appropriate accommodations.
▶ 16:16 Francis X. Wright Jr.: addition we have two other females that work days so it they'll also benefit from it in the current bathroom hasn't been I've been there 30 years and nothing's been done to it since then so it's it's time for a renovation okay great thank you very much and John with regards to the storage tanks if I recall you said of five-year warranty or perhaps it was Patrick it was a five-year warranty on those tanks and they're now nine years out the original were installed september 2005. okay so the new ones will have a 15-year warranty and can can you give us some idea of what the cost savings might be from going from a tank or tanks that have a five-year warranty versus a 15-year warranty well it's just the it's the life expectancy i mean you're looking at spend
▶ 17:15 right now this is going to cost us sixty thousand dollars to replace the tanks and if we can extend this out 15 years I think the technology's improved which is why they are extending the but that's that's the investment that you would have to make but except now instead of making it every eight to ten years hopefully the 15-year warranty will get you out to 16 to 20 years so okay so it's not so much that we've bought a tank that's at least three times better it's technology is i'll now allow them to build tanks which are three times better it is it is this is a a fused stainless steel tank that didn't exist in 2005 when they first built the middle school so the technology's changed in terms of manufacturing these these tanks and they've
▶ 18:03 Francis X. Wright Jr.: they've extended the warranty three times thank you and patrick on the stabilization fund contribution it's I mean we've been fortunate we rode through the rough times probably as well as any municipality in the state other than maybe Cambridge and that we can't be sure that that's going to happen the next time this stuff goes in cycles hopefully we won't have a low like we did in 08 but um we also can't count on the federal support that that the state and the municipalities saw um after 08 09 and 10 um if this comes around so i mean i think it's a great investment in our future community it's it's something all of us strive to do as uh individuals and homeowners to put money away for future projects and and and you know for those
▶ 19:08 Francis X. Wright Jr.: unexpected expenses that we might have and you know god forbid when revenue or income if you're an individual doesn't match up to what you're you know required for your day-to-day life so i think it's a great investment and i'm glad to see the city continuing to to make that investment thank Thank you, thank you Mr. Chairman. Very good. At this time, if I may, I'd like to invite Mr. Connery to come forward. He was kind enough to attend our meeting. Good evening. Good evening, thank you. Maybe you can give us a little bit of a presentation on. Sure, as referenced in the Mayor's letter and as John has mentioned, we've been in existence for about 20 years as a 501c3. and we were in need of moving the Hall of Fame
▶ 20:01 because of the renovations at the middle school. We were always very thankful to have a home there, and we had many events there, and I know I've seen some of you at those events. But it was sort of out of the way. All the students have seen it over the years, and I wanna make a point about the students and all those who doubt the quality of the youth in America, period. only person who ever broke a plaque was me it was I accident I had to remove something to fix something and I broke it we never got a tomato we never got a mustache we never got anything we moved it and it took us a little bit by surprise on the cost to be honest we we are a rolling funding to keep ourselves going and and a lot of people do provide us with contributions but we spent eight
▶ 20:51 to ten thousand dollars to create what we think is a very very attractive hall of fame facility if you haven't seen it between the two gyms go see it i think you'll be very very proud it's a hall of fame that is more than just a picture and a plaque and says baseball volleyball or whatever we spend a lot of time with our membership creating a vitae in a real person when you come to our hall of fame you'll be reading about these people and some of them are over a century old. I will point out that we do have banners in the gym today. We have state champions, individual championships. We have spent tremendous amount of time and I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that Bill DeSimone and Steve Karampoulos have done yeoman service in examining the provenance of
▶ 21:42 of every single league, state, divisional, and whether you know this or not, we happen to own the only United States high school championship in the United States in 1926. But we have the proof for over 200 of these banners. Our teams go to many gyms around the area, and there are banners, and they're organized. Everything that's in the gym today came from the heart and came from private money that people put there, and the DPW have installed them and maintained them over the years. Every single team that has won a championship will be recognized. There will be large red banners that will say basketball, volleyball, girls swimming. We'll have all the league championships by date, divisional and state championships,
▶ 22:35 and as I said, national hockey championship. The idea is to recognize everybody, but more than that, and I think if you ask anybody who's been on our committees over the last 20 years, there's a sense of pride with the legacy, and you can actually begin to see history when you look at the sweep of these things, even the individual plaques. I would say that if anybody didn't know what Title IX was with women's sports and looked at all the faces of the Hall of Fame members up to the 1960s, and then all of a sudden become coed and I don't think anybody in this room can deny the great success of girls athletics and Melrose in the last couple of decades we are also lucky to find the women who in the 20s and the 30s created the girls athletic
▶ 23:22 association and take them out of the darkness and put them on the wall and the championships that they won we have a 1924 field hockey championship that nobody knew about we have an 1896 hockey championship it was called ice polo we We won that from 96 to 99, and then the Canadians got mad and said, Monsieur, the game is hockey, and we changed the name to hockey. But we have asked the mayor, we went to the mayor, and said, we can't do this in a first-class way, and this is the most honest answer I can give you. Is there a way that we can partner? We have every intent to continue to raise money, to continue to build trophy cases, to maintain that hall and to put money back into athletic events for both young
▶ 24:13 boys and girls in the city but to finish the job we want our athletes to be able to walk into that gymnasium whether they're 18 or 88 and look at the wall and say that was me in 1937 every single one many of the older plot banners will go to the Marku some are redundant and won't and we're going to try to find people who might want them but many of them are going to go back to the Marku so today you see a volleyball championship well hopefully it's pretty obvious the volleyball team that won the state champion is going on the state championship wall they'll have their pictures their scores it'll be right outside the gym and they'll be on a banner for all time but the hundreds of There's literally hundreds of other teams that aren't recognized will be recognized for the first time.
▶ 25:04 And so that's why we've asked for the partnership. We do not intend to make it a habit, but there was no alternative for us. And we come not hat in hand, but pretty prideful what we've done over the years, and we just ask your support. And just to follow up, this funding is for the production of the banners. DPW will provide the installation under the guidance of the Hall of Fame Committee and what they envision this to look like. Excellent, thank you. Any further discussions on any of the individual budget items? Alderman Boisselle. I have a question concerning the landscaping supplies. You mentioned you have 78 trees that are coming in. Are they all the same variety, or are we having different color types of trees and leaves?
▶ 26:00 Robert A. Boisselle: No, they're very similar to what we installed last year. I think they're a combination of pear and maple, mostly pears that flower in the spring. Flower in the spring, so it gives the color in the spring and the color in the fall. Yeah. Very good. I noticed you covered all of these except for three groups. the, I guess the info one, professional services and software license. Is that, is that going to be separate? Mr. Pazos is in the back there, he can probably discuss that. Would you like him to come forward, Alderman Voisel? Yes, please. Mr. Pazos, step forward please, thank you. Mr. Lindstrom, you're with Mr. Pazos this evening, thank you. We're a team. I'm a little bit of moral support.
▶ 26:49 So I'm sorry. Maybe you can just give us the break up of what you, and you're those three categories, what they're for. So I'll just go right down the line. The first line item for info EXP professional services, that is for a MUNIS upgrade. We are due for a MUNIS upgrade. This is a major version upgrade of the MUNIS system. We are contracting with MUNIS in light of that. We want to engage with them for professional services to guide us through this upgrade. We, generally speaking, as a, just so you guys are aware, generally are running a few versions behind. That way we are always running a very stable version, one that other people have tested for us before we go there, quite frankly. And so we have now gotten to a point where we're at this major revision or upgrade.
▶ 27:41 So we're moving forward with to do that, we'd like to do that. The current version that we're running will be retired next calendar year. So we're trying to get out ahead of this a little bit, if we could. The next line item down, the info expense WAN communications. That is for a replacement switch for the city yard. We had a piece of equipment fail over there. It is sort of a rough environment. A lot of dust, a lot of dirt, cold, things like that. heat in the summer and I've been working with John Shenna to get some air handling in that room to minimize the amount of dust. The dust is really a very bad thing for this equipment that we have in there. So that is it for a replacement piece for that location.
▶ 28:36 And then the last line I'll mention very quickly, but I think Mike is up here to discuss it as well, is for a program called virtual budget. And this is essentially a user friendly front end to our financial management system. I don't know if Mike wants to get into that a little bit. What I can tell you is that the $3,000 is a one time fee. There is no annual fee after that. So this $3,000 is for the software and services. So very briefly, last January when the city was one of two communities to get an innovation award from the MMA, We were awarded for the Our City series. The other winner in that category was the town of Arlington for a project called Visual Budget. And basically what they did, they entered into a partnership with a local company that basically created a program that lets you see
▶ 29:28 a visual version at home on your computer of all the town's revenues, expenses, and funds right up front. So one of the most popular displays on that is basically a homeowner could enter their annual tax bill. Let's say it's $4,000 and then you can start off at a macro level and see how much of it goes towards schools, DPW. And then from each department you can drill down and actually get into how much of your budget goes to fund police officers. And then you can see historical views also over the last five or six years. You can see trends, it'll graph it out. And any of the information that we enter is downloadable for residents to do their own independent of information that they'd like to see also and it was very very well received
▶ 30:14 Robert A. Boisselle: we're entering into contract hopefully with visual government and also at the same time I know the town of Cohasset Newburyport and Mansfield are going to join us so very good all the employees now you still have the floor that's a lot of the data you're talking about here is that connected to the city's computer or to the accounting set how's that information getting into those graphics so who is inputting data or is the machines going to just transfer information this is a seven-month process about a seventh it took Arlington eight months between the a lot of what if some of the fee that we're paying that $3,000 is for the people from visual budget and the software company to talk you know to with George Donna Patrick our our office to the
▶ 31:02 interface they're familiar with unis or soft right whatever they know all those softwares but um it is it is a long process it's a lot of manual entering so the way that this works i think the question you might be asking is we create an export out of the financial management system and we provide that to them and then they provide uh sort of a crosswalk from that into their visual visual budget program and then we can on any sort of interval that we choose create recreate that export and put it back in there and that crosswalk is already done so we can sort of update that as we go and i think part of what mike's referring to it's such a long process is when you want to get into the historicals aspects of it you have to do a couple of those exports for those years
▶ 31:49 Robert A. Boisselle: and that crosswalk changes a little over time so it's creating that for the historical and then going forward that maintenance very good and each quarter or semi-annually it's going to be the exports going to be updated to transfer over or is that going to be a monthly basis or I don't know what the usual has I don't know if we've decided on an interval yet no we haven't done that Okay, well, looking forward to seeing the virtual budget. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You're welcome. Very good, Alderman Bird. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On the visual budget, I looked at the town of Arlington's visual budget. I thought it was okay. I liked the idea of it. I liked the idea of having that kind of transparent budget process that people
▶ 32:45 Jaclyn L. Bird: can go online and see how things are broken down I thought it was limited and what it showed it didn't necessarily give an incredible amount of detail will we be able to determine on our end how much detail of that when you say we can export the data did Arlington just choose not to export a lot of data they just kind of did their version that they did was the 1.0 last year and so what they're basically hoping to do is get the more times that join they're looking create a 2.0 but also include more capital detail more um more used with like a debt and debt service enterprise funds things of those nature um i thought that you can mine down pretty deep into into i think into the arlington one on the town side and even some of the school budgets
▶ 33:30 Jaclyn L. Bird: but um i i they look they're looking to get more people involved to have more seed money to create uh more advanced versions that we'd obviously getting it now at this price weren't included in any future upgrades they also included for a cic grant through administration in finance so if you get that grant that would give money to create a more advanced version also i i thought it was good i like the idea of it but i felt like it most of the questions at least that i get from constituents are about probably more detailed you know aspects of where does my fee go when i pay this where you know those kinds of things i think the big picture is helpful and i think when the administration has sent home information i believe it's with the water bills in the past
▶ 34:17 Jaclyn L. Bird: or the real estate property tax bills maybe with um a breakdown of a pie chart of how their dollars have been spent i think that's very helpful i didn't necessarily get the feeling that this gave them more than that but it may just be that the way that arlington's using it um they don't go into that great a detail yeah i mean i think on some levels i agree so i think you know in terms of what we usually send out as opposed to what this can do i mean on the school side you can see how much your tax bill goes to sending kids out of district who need to be sent out of district operational maintenance salaries uh you know special ed how much of your tax bill goes to pay for special ed each year you know on the dpw side i could tell you the penny how much
▶ 34:59 John N. Tramontozzi: you pay personally just to get your roads plowed how much you pay to fix potholes i mean it's some interesting data to give people perspective i think to uh make you know have a more mature conversation about where our priorities should be and how people want their money spent i think everyone knows they pay a tax bill but they don't know where it goes from there thank you thank you mr chairman very good any further discussion okay seeing none uh we do have order 2015-50 before us what is the wish of the committee motion to recommend second very good we have a motion to recommend uh by alderman uh Boisselle seconded by alderman mortimer any further discussion seeing none uh on the motion all in favor aye any opposed great so this um this um order will be
▶ 35:45 John N. Tramontozzi: recommended to the full board at our next meeting and i appreciate your coming in this evening everybody thank you so much for uh coming down thank you and with that uh we do have a motion to adjourn adjourn second alderman mortimer moves to adjourn seconded by alderman forbes on the motion all in favor aye opposed seeing that we are adjourned for the evening thank you