City Council — 2014-10-20

City Council Regular Meeting

Attendance

Jaclyn L. Bird present · Alderman at Large; Robert A. Boisselle present · Ward 4 Alderman; Donald L. Conn Jr. present · President, Alderman at Large; Scott M. Forbes present · Ward 7 Alderman; Gail Infurna present · Ward 5 Alderman; Jennifer L. Lemmerman present · Ward 2 Alderman; Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis present · Alderman at Large; Monica C. Medeiros present · Alderman at Large; Peter D. Mortimer present · Ward 6 Alderman; John N. Tramontozzi present · Ward 1 Alderman; Francis X. Wright Jr. present · Ward 3 Alderman

Agenda

Minutes

CITY OF MELROSE BOARD OF ALDERMEN BULLETIN● OCTOBER 20, 2014 Aldermanic Chamber Regular Meeting 7:45 PM Attendee Name Title Status Arrived Jaclyn L. Bird Alderman at Large Present Robert A. Boisselle Ward 4 Alderman Present Scott M. Forbes Ward 7 Alderman Present Gail M. Infurna Ward 5 Alderman Present Jennifer L. Lemmerman Ward 2 Alderman Present Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis Alderman at Large Present Monica C. Medeiros Alderman at Large Present Peter D. Mortimer Ward 6 Alderman Present John N. Tramontozzi Ward 1 Alderman Present Francis X. Wright Jr. Ward 3 Alderman Present Donald L. Conn Jr. President, Alderman at Large Present

ORDER-2015-46 Utility Petition Petition of National Grid to install 96 feet of 6” Plastic Gas Main on Altamont Ave as shown on Plan #MELK1433, dated 09/18/2014 – marked Nationalgrid. This main extension is required to provide gas service to #26 Altamont Ave., Melrose. Passed as Amended

ORDER-2015-47 Utility Petition Petition of National Grid to install 185 feet of 6” Plastic Gas Main on Grandview Ave., Melrose as shown on Plan #MELK1472, dated 09/18/2014 – marked Nationalgrid. This main extension is required to provide gas service to #11 & 18 Grandview Ave., Melrose. Passed as Amended

ORDER-2015-49 Acceptance Acceptance of EMD Grant from the Commonwealth of Mass., Executive Office of Public Safety and Security, State 911 Department; Fund #4006 Assigned to Committee Appropriations Committee

ORDER-2015-50 Appropriation An appropriation of $702,653.95 from available free cash to various accounts as set forth within Assigned to Committee Appropriations Committee City of Melrose Page 1 11/26/2014 11:43 AM Minutes Board of Aldermen October 20, 2014

ORDER-2015-39 Appointment Reappointment of Kevin Anderson, 170 Bellevue Ave., to the Conservation Commission for a three-year term; said term to expire on the last day of February 2016 Passed

ORDER-2015-40 Appointment Reappointment of Kate Hickey, 23 Prescott St., to the Conservation Commission for a three-year term; said term to expire on the last day of February 2017. Passed

ORDER-2015-43 Authorization Power Purchase Agreement for Solar Net Metering Credits Passed

ORDER-2015-41 Appointment Reappointment of Susan Murphy, 24 Poplar St., to the Conservation Commission for a three-year term, said term to expire on the last day of February 2017 Passed

ORDER-2015-42 Appointment Reappointment of Aaron Weieneth, 94 Howard St., to the Conservation Commission for a three-year term; said term to expire the last day of February 2017 Passed City of Melrose Page 2 11/26/2014 11:43 AM

Transcript

▶ 0:00 Okay, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Donald Conn. This is the meeting of the Melrose Board of Aldermen for October 20th, 2014. Could you call the roll, please? Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Could everybody please rise and join me in saluting the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Mr. President, I make a motion to open the floor for public participation. Second. Alderman Mortimer moves that we commence public participation. The motion is seconded by Alderman Boisselle. On the motion, all those in favor? Aye. Anyone opposed?

▶ 1:04 Motion passes. This is the portion of our meeting where any member of the public can come forward to the table in the middle of the room, identify themselves, and declaim on any issue that is before us this evening. I also would like to point out, before we commence public participation, that in accordance with the open meeting law of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, this meeting will be rebroadcast on Melrose Cable TV. is there anybody who wishes to speak relative to any item on our agenda at public participation here's we have no takers motion to close public participation mr. president Alderman Mortimer moves to close public participation the motion is seconded by Alderman Boycelle on the motion all

▶ 1:45 those in favor aye anyone opposed motion passes public participation is hereby concluded for this evening order 2015-49 acceptance of EMD grant from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, Executive Office of Public Safety and Security, State 911 Department, fund number 4006. This order will go to the Committee on Appropriations. Order 2015-50, an appropriation of $702,653.95 from available free cash to various accounts as set forth within. That order will also be referred to the Committee on Appropriations. We have any orders out of order this evening are there any orders from committee could you call the calendar please order 2015-39 reappointment of Kevin Anderson 170 Bellevue Avenue to the Conservation Commission for a three-year

▶ 2:50 term said term to expire on the last day of February 2016 mr. Anderson's reappointment was recommended by the committee on public service motion for passage second Alderman Boisselle moves for passage the motion is seconded by by Alderman Byrd. Is there any discussion on the motion? All those in favor of passage of Order 215-39, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? That order passes. Order 2015-40, reappointment of Kate Hickey, 23 Prescott Street, to the Conservation Commission for a three-year term. Said term to expire on the last day of February 2017. Ms. Hickey's reappointment was also recommended in the Public Service Committee. Motion for passage. Alderman Byrd moves for passage of 215-40.

▶ 3:40 Second. Seconded by Alderman Voisel. Is there any discussion relative to this order? All those in favor of passage indicate by saying aye. Aye. Is there anyone opposed? That order passes. Order 2015-43, Power Purchase Agreement for Solar Net Metering Credits. This order was recommended by the Appropriation Committee. Motion for passage, Mr. President. Second. Alderman Mortimer moves passage seconded by Alderman McAteer-Margolis. Is there discussion relative to this order? Madam Clerk, could you call the roll, please? Alderman Burry. Yes. Mr. Solomon-Pozzell. Yes. Mr. Solomon-Ford. Yes. Mr. Solomon-Furner. Yes. Mr. Solomon-Hanneman. Yes. Mr. Solomon-Solom. Yes. Mr. Solomon-Jews. Yes. Mr. Solomon-Mortimer.

▶ 4:34 Yes. Mr. Solomon-Pozzell. Yes. Mr. Solomon-Roy. Yes. Mr. President-Columb. Yes. that order also passes order 2015-41 reappointment of susan murphy 24 poplar street to the conservation commission for a three-year term said term to expire on the last day of february 2017 ms murphy's reappointment was also recommended in the public service committee motion for passage second alderman right moves for passage voted 215-41 the motion is seconded by alderman Boisselle is there any discussion relative to the motion all those in favor of passage of the order indicate by saying aye aye anyone opposed the order passes order 2015-42 reappointment of Aaron Winant 94 Howard Street to the Conservation Commission for a three-year term said term to expire the last day of February

▶ 5:32 2017 this order also comes from public service with a recommendation for passage motion for passage second Alderman Lemmerman moves for passage the motion is seconded by Alderman Forbes is there any discussion all those in favor passage indicate by saying aye anyone opposed that order passes mr. president make a motion for recess until 8 o'clock when we will commence our public hearings this evening Alderman Mortimer moves to recess until 8 o'clock at which time we'll commence public hearings the motion is seconded by Alderman Medeiros on the motion to recess. All those in favor? Aye. Anyone opposed? Motion passes. Board stands in recess. Thank you, sir. I'm sure. I'm sure. All right. It's 8 o'clock by the official clock here

▶ 6:37 in the chamber. We are back from recess. We have a public hearing on order 215-46, petition of Mark National Grid to install 96 feet of six inch plastic gas main to Altamont Ave as shown on plans. Dated September 18th, 2014, Mark National Grid. This main extension is required to provide gas service to number 26, Altamont Avenue, Melrose, Massachusetts. Motion to remove this order from the table, Mr. President. Second. Alderman Mortimer moves to remove the order from the table. The motion is seconded by Alderman Boisselle. the motion all those in favor aye aye anyone opposed order is removed from the table motion to commence the public hearing mr president alderman water removes documents public hearing

▶ 7:24 seconded by alderman Boisselle on the motion all those in favor aye aye anyone opposed motion passes we will commence the public hearing if we could have the gentleman representing the petitioner come forward please and explain the project then we will entertain discussion or questions from any members of the public uh during the public hearing could you identify yourself please sir Steve DiLorenzo from National Grid basically we're talking as far as Altamont Ave goes you're talking maybe two two days tops worth of work out there that's to install the gas main uh tie it in in London service for number 26. okay can you describe whether there's going to be disruption to the street or sidewalks and uh I'm guessing it's the street we'll be digging in

▶ 8:10 in the street anything else relative to the project that you want to put forth at this time obviously the town has some they want a permit pulled they want a grinded inlay they want any concrete sidewalk there any type of landscape and replace which is that's what we do anyways okay sir I think we'll ask you to come forward again and answer questions that members of the board may have is there anybody else who wishes to speak on this order could you please come forward please okay Myron Dittmer at 93 Altamont Ave and Melrose here first of all I did get notified about this with certified letter and I was very excited when I first read about this and the fact that they were bringing a gas main down Altamont Ave. Very excited about it because probably about 20 years or

▶ 9:19 so ago when I realized the street didn't have a gas main, I was interested in thinking about converting the gas and realized the street didn't have it. Contacted the gas company at that time and said what I have to do in order to get the gas main brought down Altamont, and I had to get a certain number of people interested in tapping in and try to get interest and uh my neighbors and but i couldn't get the uh the requisite number of people uh guaranteed to tie in so at that time it just failed i couldn't get enough people involved uh and then when i read about this the fact that it was going to go to one person one house and ultimately i said wow it's great now maybe they'll bring it all the way down the street then i realized no

▶ 10:05 it was going to stop there i said well maybe this is a good opportunity to find out more about this and if there was a possibility of them bringing it further up Altamont Ave. My burner right now, oil burner, is over 20 years old, so I think it's ready to be replaced. I already replaced my tank, my supply tank, about five years ago, so I had to spend additional money for that. And I think we all want a cleaner source of fuel anyway, and certainly natural gas is, i think good it's a guaranteed source uh... you know during with the time having uh... uh... oil trucks and and you know if you get snowstorms everything else there's nothing better than having natural gas assure supply uh... so i'm you know i'm i'm really looking forward to the day of

▶ 10:56 where i can tie into a gas gas uh... pipe in in in the street and i'd like to know what i need to do in order to convince the natural grid national grid that Bring the gas main further down or up Altamonte Ave. Because we have a house being constructed further up the street on the right-hand side, the old Sarney House. They're building a whole new house there on the lot. We have a lot of young people now in the neighborhood. Many of the homes have been remodeled. And I'm sure they would look forward to an opportunity to tie into a gas main, a natural gas source of fuel or source of heat for their homes. And I'm very excited about this opportunity. but I'd like to know more about how we could get an opportunity to really tie into this gas main.

▶ 11:43 So that's why I'm here, and I'd like the opportunity to learn more from this gentleman and what we need to do to get going on this as soon as we can. Perhaps it's not obviously in time to take advantage of what he's going to do here for 26 Altamont Ave, but how soon we can uh maybe work on getting it uh taken up for the rest of altamontana i suspect one or more of the members of the board may may ask those questions of the gentlemen that are here tonight okay thank you mr different anyone else who wishes to speak on this order sir hello i am mark petrie i am the resident of 26 altamont that made the request for the gas line uh much like mr ditmer we are interested in updating our home heating system also renovating our kitchen and updating our

▶ 12:50 stove etc to natural gas when we contacted National Grid in I believe early April we were informed that the extension had to be done from our neighbor's house on the neighbor closer to the Upham side of the street and it wouldn't be a problem we sent our deposit and then several months went by we contacted national grid several times then they responded that actually someone had made a mistake along the way and they realized that there was no gas running from upham street so they said we'll go through the process and have the line extended down the street months continue to drag on and then i got my exciting certified letter much like mr ditmer and was very excited to see that the progress was being made but was kind of surprised to see that we were looking at

▶ 13:41 extending the line just to our house which is making me feel a little selfish but I would love to be interested in sharing let's learn like to know more about what what's happening with the process great thank you sir thank you any other members of the public who wish to say anything before we wrap up the public hearing portion of this order Well, I guess I'd like to speak just for a moment, give him a couple of more questions, but he may be able to answer. My name is Bill McManus. I live next door, I live at 36 Altamont Ave, next door to Mark. And I also would be interested in gas, but before I would commit to anything like that, I would like to know the payback. In other words, is National Grid,

▶ 14:37 is there a charge for National Grid bring the gas to us do is National Grid going to help us out in the conversion process in other words obviously if you have gas you're going to get a new holding burner although heating system whatever new gas stove and what have you does gas does National Grid assist with any of that and some of the more details of the length of time they would estimate it would take to get a payback on all of this in other words I mean I'm not exactly a teenager so do I have to live to 150 and get my payback or what the story is so that's what I'd like the gentleman from National Grid to comment on some of those things okay thank you sir again and thank you very much thank you mr. McManus anyone else we have a

▶ 15:33 motion second all the men McAteer Margolis moves to conclude the public hearing relative to this order the motion is seconded by Alderman Forbes on the motion all those in favor aye anyone opposed the public hearing is concluded and the order is before you we also have mr. Street from the Melrose the Public Works Department who was here to answer any questions that members of the board might have relative to this order I'm right if I yes Andy could you come forward Alden Wright moves to suspend the rule so that we may hear from mr. street and other individuals relative to this order is there seconds on the motion all those in favor anyone opposed rules are suspended did you or anything you want to add Andy or yeah well basically we're requesting of them now

▶ 16:28 is fairly standard for all gas main installations we request that they repave the road from the gutter line to just be on their trench pull permits in accordance with ordinance and things like that and we've also especially in light of what we've been hearing tonight we've just asked him to do that due diligence may we can't force them to put gas main anywhere but we did request that they they reach out and do as much homework as they can to see if there was other interest in the neighborhoods because these gas main installations don't necessarily complete a loop or put them in a position to provide gas service to all residents in that neighborhood so nothing out of the ordinary I guess on as far as concerns and comments on my end great thank you

▶ 17:08 Francis X. Wright Jr.: I just had one comment. I noticed on both streets this one and the next one which we haven't gotten to yet, but they're identical On number three, it says any and all disturbed sidewalks and landscaped areas shall be restored to their original condition upon completion of the construction My only concern with that from a legal perspective, I guess more so than a practical because practically I assume if there's cracks and there's divots and all that they'll take care of that but um so that we're all on the same page um i would like that language to be added something to the effect that um but all sidewalk restoration shall be to the satisfaction of the massachusetts architectural access board so it's ada compliant and obviously if there's an issue because we've

▶ 17:56 Francis X. Wright Jr.: i know we've got some hills up there with grandview or whatever um if there's a sidewalk there that needs to be cut into i understand that if i can see eject one moment there's no sidewalks okay sir okay thank you thank you if there's a place where a sidewalk obviously can't meet the ada requirements i assume we'll have a variance from the from the aab but i just want to make sure that any work they do is consistent with the ada because ultimately as you know the city will be held responsible if there's an issue absolutely yeah and if i could add we do um we work with the contractor a national group throughout the project and see through all the sidewalk repairs as it goes along a member of my my uh staff is out there frequently and working with them to make sure it's done

▶ 18:43 Peter D. Mortimer: appropriately okay so you wouldn't have any problem with the language that i just read being no i think that's fine yeah okay thank you very much thank you mr thank you all right and mr street you have uh proposed four conditions to the grant of location that are set forth in your memorandum of october 20th of 2014 is that correct uh yes sir four four for each uh each order tonight yeah alderman mortimer um you've had a nice segue right into um going to make a motion um subsequently that uh these four conditions which uh we received a memorandum from mr street uh become part of the order i'll make a friendly motion to amend uh at this time if you think it's appropriate or i can wait till after the hearing respectfully i want to see if there are other aldermen who have other

▶ 19:30 Peter D. Mortimer: amendments and maybe we can do it in one motion to amend very good um and i'll hold up on that then and i just wanted to ask mr street if you know what would be the possibility are there any blockages that would stop as far as you know any ledge or high water tables that would stop a gas main from going further up all the way to cedarwood or up altamont ave are you aware of any subterranean problems because we do already have sewer lines and water lines yeah so i i think there's a certainly the uh high probability of some ledge there but nothing that would prevent anything from being installed no right and i think mr di lorenzo is going to come forward again and i'll ask him too he probably knows if it's ledge they probably do have the uh where

▶ 20:22 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: with all the equipment and sure capacity to get through it they've they've done so a number of times this this year in fact the past couple of years yeah very good uh that's all i have for mr street thank you mr president thank you welcome back chair margolis you have your hand up i did thank you mr president um thank you mr street for being here tonight um my only question was you know we've really been trying very hard not to reopen the streets after we've been paving them and doing all the water and sewer work has that street ever been has it ever been repaved recently altamont ave uh no it's it's not under moratorium right now it is not and it's not in the is it in the pipeline to be done at some point in the future do you know on the list that we have

▶ 21:04 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: i i don't think it even rates very poorly no it's it's in decent condition it's not horrible so if in fact national grid were able to um accomplish this one connection but be able to work with the other residents you know over the next 12 months or something to bring it in it wouldn't be upsetting any planned restoration of that street by the city or any other work up there that we have planned no no I don't think so in the the pavement restoration I've laid out for this particular project is not the entire street it would just be restoring what they disturb if they were to extend it I think it would open up a discussion about how to how to restore the rest of the street does there are sections that

▶ 21:46 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: get poorer and then where they're working in now and do you anticipate that that street would need to be closed while this work is done I that would depend largely on a quarter that that's selected but I think it's it's probably to be conservative I would say yes most likely yeah it's not a very wide wide road so so National Grid would be responsible for all of the appropriate signage and details and correct for the neighborhood and the kids going to and from school and absolutely absolutely yeah okay and again I remember my staff is out there regularly working with them to ensure all those are in place and is that is that anything that you feel that you would need to add to the conditions in terms of or is that just kind of standard practice it's it's certainly

▶ 22:35 standard practice and we have a very good relationship with them and their construction crews and it's it's done very well through other jobs throughout you mr. Street just to make sure that everybody was clear I think you indicated earlier that the city has no way to compel National Grid to extend the line down the street it would be up to them and the butters to make a determination is that correct yeah correct mr. DeLorenzo can certainly talk to the process more but but these these get brought up by requests from residents and neighbors it's not the city requesting them to install gas main in any particular location my understanding is the only compensation that the city has in a situation like this is that they have to pay for the

▶ 23:19 street opening permit is that correct yeah correct yeah well there's also there's the benefit of the the repaving once it's done but that's not necessary but I think the gentleman was wondering whether there any payments were made to the city and my understanding is the only payment is a permitting fee to open street to my knowledge yeah okay yes okay anything else for mr street before we ask mr di lorenzo to come back alden boisselle on the closing of the trench and so forth are they only doing the one foot square area or are they doing from curb to curb so the the pavement restoration i've laid out for this particular project would go from the gutter line to one foot beyond where their trench is so that limit would would vary depending on where they have to install the gas main

▶ 24:06 it could be close to the gutter it could be close to the center line but wherever that gas main is they would pave to one they cut a nice neat edge and they would pave one foot beyond they've done that i'm trying to think of an example i think whitman was recently paved in that way that that main was closer to the center line but if you go down there you'll see a nice swath of new asphalt okay thank you very much thank you thank you anything else for mr street mr de lorenzo would you like to come back please questions for mr de lorenzo from the board alderman bird then alderman treyman tozzi thank you mr president uh thank you mr de lorenzo can you talk a little bit about what the process is for a neighborhood or a street to be requesting the gas line extension what happened in this

▶ 25:00 Jaclyn L. Bird: situation and maybe talk to some of the neighbors concerns about um wanting it you know extended to their homes right um normally i'm a field supervisor so i don't have any authority to be making any calls on who gets what but i will be on site every day we're out there so if any of the neighbors want to come out and speak to me i can get them a telephone number get in touch with somebody from sales they can come out speak to them and so on okay great and do you know what the regular process is is it um as described before that they call they request it someone comes out and in this case it was just a miscommunication as to where the line was being extended yes okay so if other neighbors were interested they should be calling national

▶ 25:50 John N. Tramontozzi: grid sales correct okay and i can put them in in contact with someone okay that's all for now mr president yeah perhaps a couple of the neighbors who are here tonight you could give them the information before you leave so that they could try to see what they could do. Alden Trimantozzi. Thank you, Mr. President. One of the questions from one of the residents was whether or not the gas company is offering any special discounts or courtesy rebates. At one time, the gas company was offering some kind of programs. Maybe it was in conjunction with the state agency or so forth. Maybe you can shed a little bit of light on that. Yeah, I mean, once again, I'm not on sale, so I really can't, I mean, they do offer rebates.

▶ 26:35 John N. Tramontozzi: What they're offering now, I really don't know, I'm just in charge of getting it in and getting it done. So, that's something I can find out. Is that something that if a resident approaches you during the course of the construction project, can provide them with that information? I haven't heard much lately. I know in the past there were some programs when there was a push to convert from oil to gas, But it's been pretty quiet out there lately, so I don't know. You know something, 20 years ago they would have ran the gas man down the street for nothing, just to get one customer on board. Now, they're charging everybody. So it's basically a business decision from some executives at the- That's correct.

▶ 27:16 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: The board at the, okay. All right, thank you. Thank you. Alderman McAteer-Margolis. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Mr. DiLorenzo. As Alderman Byrd suggested, and as is a requirement of this permit process, we have requested that you perform due diligence with the neighborhood. I would like to see you reach out to the people who are here tonight, because if you're going to be out there working, you don't want them to have to come out, find you, get a phone number then. Maybe it's possible if you're doing this work, when do you expect to start doing it? as soon as the city releases the permit okay so I mean it could be a couple of weeks whatever correct right I mean obviously we want to get it in before

▶ 28:03 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: the 15th of November yeah yeah so I mean it might it might behoove you to also reach out to the residents before that so that if there's an opportunity to get some of that work done at the same time you wouldn't have to be going back out there or at least to let them know what the information is how much it's going cost them so i don't know if maybe you can take their names tonight sure give that to your sales people to contact absolutely yes that'd be great thank you thank you alderman mortimer then alderman medeiros um i think you haven't gone yet have you alderman medeiros for the first time then alderman mortimer for the second time go ahead please oh thank you uh thank you yes mr uh de

▶ 28:46 Monica C. Medeiros: lorenzo i was wondering if you could just speak to the location of the trench in the street and if you think anticipate that the street will need to be closed and some of those uh yeah once again it's a it's a very narrow street out there so um like i said we're only talking two days worth of work here hopefully tops in and out um we will be digging out on the street um there will be police details on site uh we do post signs all the butters will be notified before we start so on and you'll work out some kind of emergency vehicle access and yeah okay thank you that's if i might mr chairman a member of my office or myself will frequently meet or always meets before the job starts to confirm that corridor as well it's tough to say without being

▶ 29:38 Peter D. Mortimer: out there you need to know where the water line sewer line that sort of thing but we try and find the most appropriate location uh based on what's happening on the field so very good thank you Thank you. Alderman Mortimer. Thank you very much, President Kahn. Of course, you guys are dig safe. We don't have to call dig safe because you have dig safe. Just to address some of the concerns that have been voiced by some of the aldermen, because it's the ward that I represent, I know that area very well. I go around there and one of the nice things about this project is Ridgewood Lane comes around. even if you do have to block the street, it is a pretty wide street. Altamont Ave, it's a pretty wide street,

▶ 30:22 Peter D. Mortimer: but even if you do have to block it completely, people can come in through Ridgewood. There's another access off Upham Street, a little further up. It's not pictured on your map here, but it does come in that way. And speaking of Ridgewood, it's not pictured on the map that you've submitted here to us. Are you familiar with this map? Yes. I'm sure you've seen it. Ridgewood isn't listed on this, but you do have various gas lines. Now the last six inch gas line I see goes up to the old, what's called on this map, Kylie Ave, from when it used to be Kylie Farm. Yep. And it looks like the last location presently getting service is the Rectory House. And I know they have gas in there. had a cup of tea in there and uh we cooked it on the stove um but it goes that far now but how does

▶ 31:19 Peter D. Mortimer: the gas come up because i'm thinking of ridgewood and for the people further up like mr ditmer who lives at 93 almost to cedarwood yep um how does the gas come up to this location if you know to melrose does it come from closer to downtown where we are now and head east or does it come in from saugus and head west i see you have blue lines on this drawing yep red lines are the six inch mains right the red lines what we call is cast iron pipe all right the yellow was plastic right that was newly installed well it's been installed since the 80s so it looks like the yellow comes from downtown melrose that's right the direction of downtown melrose and what do the blue lines mean blue lines are raw beer steel okay so do you know which direction or does it keep on going

▶ 32:07 Peter D. Mortimer: which direction does the gas come in it keeps going heading north um east east i'm sorry that's all right um all right and that taps in and i know there's a major major pipeline that runs up through uh east mount hood um through the uh quarry right near where that quarry is up in the woods there now do these lines tap into that major line well that's uh that's a distribution line so that's totally different that runs all the way to tennessee right yeah that that line runs all the way to tennessee um and do you know this um engineer jlh who drew up these plans uh two days ago no i don't know who they are all right so you have to extend this 96 feet correct how much approximately per feet per foot is it what's the cost per foot as you run extender um one of these

▶ 32:58 Peter D. Mortimer: plastic honestly i couldn't even tell you all right it's it's gas to be somebody from sales right you know right okay so it has to be for somebody from sales yeah so if the people want to get together they'd have to see what the cost would be what the break obviously the more people that get on board the cheaper it'll be of course i'm guessing yeah that makes perfect sense right All right, and this is, I see also from your drawing here, this is low pressure gas. Correct. Also much safer than the gas they used to have 25 years ago. We have lines out in the street that are 200 pounds. Right, and this low pressure is less than air pressure, less than 14 pounds per square inch, right? Yeah, it's only 0.05 pounds.

▶ 33:42 Peter D. Mortimer: Right, so it's really very, very safe these days. All right, that's all I have for Mr. DiLorenzo. Thank you very much, Mr. President. Okay, do we have a motion relative to this order? Thanks. Motion to recommend for, motion for passage. Do we have a motion to amend? Yes, thank you for the reminder ladies. May we add, I make a motion to make a friendly amendment to add the four conditions issued by Mr. Street to the order, please. Are you also adding the conditions cited by Alderman Wright to paragraph three of the condition set forth by Mr. Street? yes please Alderman Mortimer moves to adopt the conditions for the street opening permit submitted pursuant to the memo of Mr. Street with the addition that paragraph 3 will require

▶ 34:34 that any sidewalks that are disturbed be ADA compliant seconded by Alderman McAteer-Margolis on the motion all those in favor aye anyone opposed the order is amended the order as amended is before you motion for passage as amended mr. second Alderman Mortimer moves for passage as amended the motion is seconded by Alderman Forbes madam clerk could you call the roll please yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes the order as amended passes thank you very much gentlemen the next and final order that's before us for this evening is 215-47 petition of National Grid to install a a install 185 feet of six inch plastic gas main on grandview ave as shown on plan dated september 18th to 14 mark national grid the extension is required to provide gas service to 11 and 18

▶ 35:58 grandview avenue motion to open for public hearing from the table alderman treyman toesy moves to commence the public hearing second seconded by alderman medeiros on the motion all those in favor aye aye anyone opposed motion passes we're going to conduct a public hearing relative to order 215-47 if somebody could ask mr di lorenzo to step back into the chamber please president my motion for a one minute recess so mr di lorenzo may pass that information on to the alderman medeiros moves for a recess second second by alderman mcateer margolis sorry on the motion to recess all right actually i don't think we would need one we withdraw the motion in a second yes mr di lorenzo could you come forward please

▶ 36:55 could you describe the work that's going to be done on grandview avenue please sir yeah i installed 185 feet of six inch plastic gas main approximately a week's worth of work out there maybe less um obviously a pyramid will be pulled uh street will be open police details signs butters notices um any paving it has to be restored whether it's grinding it's grinded in lay concrete sidewalks or lumen seed okay sidewalks be disturbed at all as a part of this I at the for just that I think it's just that one of this two there's two houses it's possible yeah okay I think we're gonna invite you to come back in a minute or two is there anybody else who wants to speak during the public hearing on this mr. Street do you want to come forward

▶ 37:54 wouldn't address this order please so I've same same concerns and conditions as the previous order same pavement restoration from the gutter line to just beyond the trench projects marginally longer still fairly quick operation if all goes well and the pull a permit and coordinate with our office prior to getting got started and we'll be on site to make sure everything goes smoothly you folks here to speak on the pub on the public hearing on the Grandview Avenue would you identify yourself please sir Thank You mr. president my name is Brian lie do I speak now yes I'm on failure so I'm a resident at 18 Grandview Ave and I my family and I requested this proposition to extend the gas main and the reason why we wanted this to happen was the fact that oil has

▶ 39:07 become very expensive and throughout each winter several thousand dollars is worth goes into heating it up with oil and with the recent dip in natural gas prices we were thinking that this would be economic switch and as outlined by the previous technical operative operators this seems like a very safe alternative to oil does not seem like there will be any complications as national grid seems very experienced in this field so winter is fastly approaching and I would implore that the board please move on with this permit great thank you sir thank you thank you I think we've heard from everybody who's in the hall chair would entertain a motion to close the public hearing aspect of the alderman forbes moves to conclude the public hearing seconded by alderman medeiros

▶ 40:02 on the motion all those in favor right motion passes order is before you discussion on the order of the mecca margolis could we please add the same um make the same amendment that we had on the last one particularly in relation to alderman rights amendment regarding the sidewalks to be ada so you're moving to adopt the four conditions that have been put forth by mr street uh with the proviso that the uh suggestion of alderman right that paragraph three indicate that sidewalks disturbed are replaced in an ada compliant manner that's true that is your motion yes sir motion seconded by alderman mortimer for discussion further discussion relative to to this order do you have a question for mr. Street mr. Street could you come

▶ 40:57 Scott M. Forbes: forward the rules have been previously suspended I know a lot of the conversation we had on Altamont Ave is can tie directly into Grandview but with a week's worth of work it was just a quick question as far as there's any of residents going to be impacted that are tied in the natural gas during the construction phase of this project I believe the only impact would be traffic related and things of that nature getting in and out of driveways may be challenging at times okay and that we've I can see he has a he has a letter I assume everyone's been notified as far as the work is everything if they haven't been already they will be and and again this is something we do with all jobs we've done with national grid and we have very good relationship

▶ 41:41 Robert A. Boisselle: through that process yeah and then people who are tied in the gas does it impact their houses already as it is or is she not no okay no all right thank you very much thank you Alderman Boyce L just out of curiosity when you're looking at the map from echo to Whitman Ave where is 11 and 18 Grandview is it on the north side or south side it is the where's my bearings here so 11 and are well on either side of the street there so do you have the color map in front of you there there's the red line that extends around the corner is the new gas main yeah and 11 and 18 would be I'm sorry so close it's closer yeah it's closer to Whitman than to echo then correct yeah yes okay so they're taking from echo they're coming all the way down to the curb or to the curve instead

▶ 42:45 Robert A. Boisselle: of coming off Whitman is that because of pressure the tent of the line or also so we talked about Altamont this coming the 96 feet right they seem to be coming a long way to these two homes instead of just coming off Whitman they're doing know frankly doing the whole street yeah was that well gas main currently exists from echo to number 25 on Grandview that's already in place oh that's already okay that's so they would be extending it from that point there okay good thank you thank you anything else on the motion to amend all those in favor anyone opposed what are as amended is before you madam clerk could you call roll please oh we're in motion for passage uh we can take a motion to take a motion if you'd like

▶ 43:38 to make a motion for passage second the motion for passage there's a motion for passage made by alderman Tramontozzi seconded by alderman Boisselle madam clerk could you please call the role yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes that order passes that concludes the business of the board of aldermen for this evening motion to adjourn mr president alderman mortimer moves to adjourn the motion is seconded by alderman forbes all those in favor of adjournment indicate by saying aye Is there anybody opposed? Motion passes. Board is adjourned.

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