ORDER-2015-140 : Authorization to enter into a Project Funding Agreement with the Massachusetts School Building Authority for the Hoover Elementary School

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▶ 1:09:31 Peter D. Mortimer: of one million three hundred ninety eight thousand eight hundred and fifty three dollars to pay for costs of constructing window and door replacements at the hoover elementary school the second order Order 2015-140 is authorization to enter into a project funding agreement with the Massachusetts School Building Authority for the Hoover Elementary School. All in favor of the President's motion to join these orders, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the orders are joined. We are still under suspension. So, City Planner Denise Gaffey, would you join us? Superintendent Taymor, I think you may want to weigh on this. do you want any of your team with you yes ms gaffey lady and gentlemen please step forward

▶ 1:10:22 Peter D. Mortimer: would you like to make an opening statement ms gaffey sure thank you very much please proceed

▶ 1:10:27 Denise Gaffey: my name is denise gaffey i'm the director of planning and community development welcome and i will start by just introducing the design team immediately on my right is on janice vermayak she's with icon architecture she is the architect for this project and then on the far end is ari Charles he is with Collier international they are the owners project manager for the project just by way of background I know that you are you're all pretty familiar with this project we first began conversing about it over a year ago when we met in front of the board back in February of 2014 to get your authorization to submit a statement of interest which allowed us to to pursue a grant opportunity with the school building authority through their accelerated repair project and we were fortunate to get the go-ahead from them back in August we were back in front of you to to seek funding to kickstart the project to do the feasibility study and to do the schematic design the initial phase of design and that was in order to get in front of the the school building assistance the school building authority again and to hopefully get approval to continue to move forward so between last August and February of this past year when we made the submission to the SBA we had several meetings the design team which has been assigned by the SBA met with this met with our team here with superintendent with principal Cordick and with John Shenna and myself we had several hands-on meetings we also met with the building committee a couple of times to get to a schematic design package that everyone was comfortable submitting to the SBA so that package was voted on by the SBA at their March meeting and so the at that time the school building authority approved has approved our project and has authorized us to move forward and seek funding for for the for the complete project so in in front of you the you have an order to your tours which I know have just been consolidated one is to authorize the mayor to accept the project funding agreement with the SBA and then the other of course is to to fund the project and the funding language which was submitted with the order is language that is essentially dictated by the school building authority it's language that you're very familiar with similar language that we've passed for other similarly related projects and it's also been reviewed by bond council and the total project cost for this project which is just to clarify a complete replacement of all the windows in in the Hoover School which are original to the building which was built in the mid 1950s I believe and new some new doors and a new front entry that's the scope of the project the total project cost is 1 million three hundred ninety eight thousand eight hundred and fifty two eight hundred fifty three dollars SBA will match this amount at approximately 51 will provide a grant rather at approximately fifty one point four two percent and is anticipated that the city's cost will be roughly seven hundred thousand for this project so I'm also submitted with the order was an amortization schedule which was prepared by our bond council and submitted by our Flavin who's here tonight you have a copy of the budget the total the total project budget which provides all the detail on on on total costs to get to the one point roughly one point four million dollars and also we've submitted several sketches which outline the existing conditions in the building and shall illustrate what the what the project is going to look like so I know those were uploaded and hopefully you've had a chance to look at those if you wanted to put them on the screen we could kind of walk through them tonight and I'll turn it over to Janice to just sort of briefly walk through these several sketches that we have okay so

▶ 1:14:39 Speaker 12: this is some of the photographs of the existing conditions with the glass block above the optical pivot or awning windows below typical classrooms in the far left there's some areas in stairwells on the backside that are all glass block that are about 20% broken with birds living in there now there's also quite a bit of image improvement that we'll see when we remove some of the what's referred to as the cages but the security screen so the goal would be be to you know remove that and replace it all with the new aluminum energy it's all consistent with the current energy code if we go to the next this is the

▶ 1:15:23 Speaker 12: exists existing entry that for those who know the Hoover School going in those green doors right there you're right in the school so part of the proposal is to create a vestibule by adding a storefront so that you've got at least some protection from that weather a nice airlock we can flip to the next what a difference the door makes huh truly truly um one thing that was not mentioned was um because we have exceeded the 500 000 um estimated construction budget there will need to be an accessible bathroom so there's an existing restroom right down the hall from the principal's office that will be converted to an accessible um restroom as well and then the next that's more of the

▶ 1:16:07 Speaker 12: drawings the sketches are part of this right yeah that's probably the next one is more interesting

▶ 1:16:15 Speaker 12: right there we go so this is an image of um there's there's a deep alcove at that front entry that will allow us to put a new storefront and and bring more of the daylight into that room as well so that the existing doors can be replaced with glazed doors and bring you know daylight yet um protected from the weather and when you're there on a cold day you open those doors that

▶ 1:16:42 Speaker 12: cold air just rushes down the corridor oh there and there that there's the image of the existing um windows on the far left and the proposed new glazing below so from a scheduling standpoint

▶ 1:16:53 Denise Gaffey: um we um we're hopeful that we'll receive the funding authorization from this board at your earliest convenience and so that will allow the design team to continue forward and further develop the design and complete construction documents through through this summer that will allow us to bid this project in the fall the goal is to bid it in the fall we're actually the windows for this for this building are extremely a stream long lead item I may have mentioned this last time we got together that we are we're not planning to do this construct this this summer because there's such a long lead time we actually decided that we would construct the project next summer which would give us give give us enough time to do the documents put it out to bid hopefully at a favorable time when contractors don't have too much work on their plate and then we can do submittals and get pre-order get the ordering done for the window so that we have them ready to go when school is out of session in June of 2016 so of course our goal is to get the students to absolutely have no disruption to the students and to allow them to re-enter school at the start of school year in 2016 so the schedule that we've outlined will allow us to do that i think that's pretty much it cindy unless you want to

▶ 1:18:17 Speaker 2: add something no i i will tell you that um when this first became available and i approached denise about it i really appreciated her willingness to step forward it wasn't not on anybody's radar but it was an opportunity for those of you who have visited the hoover and know the blocks they're dirty there's not a lot of sunlight coming in and the birds get into the building so that's one piece you left off so and so it's become a little bit of a health concern as well as a safety concern so when we're eager for this project to be approved and started next summer thank you very much

▶ 1:18:57 Peter D. Mortimer: first in line we have alderman Boyce L please the Hoover school is in sort of a

▶ 1:19:08 Robert A. Boisselle: remote area and what's the security of these windows are they shatterproof or we're going to look be looking at vandalism here and some weekends or sometimes during the summer I mean how are we how we were protecting the building at this point it's gonna be quite an investment yes we did add in an

▶ 1:19:24 Speaker 12: alternate in the pricing to include a tempered glass you know there's always the option to add on more screen like features but the goal would be to try and avoid that and that is not currently in the pricing the tempered glass is

▶ 1:19:41 Robert A. Boisselle: okay so the tempered glass will prevent rocks or is a shatterproof type glass

▶ 1:19:47 Speaker 12: no it's not shatterproof but if it does break it's gonna be maybe a being small

▶ 1:19:51 Robert A. Boisselle: pieces like automobile is there outside monitors cameras going to be sort of canvassing the area for any sort of vandalism that will occur I have talked

▶ 1:20:06 Denise Gaffey: with with both John Chenna and with the IT department about that and I think if that would be if the budget allows if we have funding available that would be a great add-on to the project to put some cameras I mean even if they're hooked

▶ 1:20:19 Robert A. Boisselle: done to the police department one camera that sort of rotates around the building it protects the building I mean to spend all this money and have destroyed in one evening it's become very disheartening all right thank you very much Thank You

▶ 1:20:36 Peter D. Mortimer: mr. chairman Thank You alderman boy cell next in line we have alderman Medeiros

▶ 1:20:41 Monica C. Medeiros: please thank you miss Kathy I was hoping you could sort of talk a little bit about this this project and how we got to where we are i know we originally started and i think we had submitted three different letters of intent uh back when this project originally

▶ 1:21:00 Monica C. Medeiros: started and one of them got accepted which was this project um well actually no back in february

▶ 1:21:04 Denise Gaffey: of 2014 we only submitted one statement of interest for the accelerated repair project

▶ 1:21:13 Monica C. Medeiros: okay maybe i just recall us discussing that in the building committee um we have done we have done

▶ 1:21:18 Denise Gaffey: we have done similar projects like this we did the green green repair which was an accelerated repair project several years ago when we did the high school roof so that was a similar project

▶ 1:21:35 Monica C. Medeiros: and can you talk about how we went from just doing the the windows to remove the cages and we got to the point where we got to the the vestibule so actually um we were always talking

▶ 1:21:42 Denise Gaffey: about when we talked about windows we were always talking about um the the cages i think that's probably the most prominent unfortunately the most prominent feature of that building and and it's it just sends such a negative tone for a school building so i know um really the conversation has always been to try to remove those cages any chance we could and this this was a great opportunity to do that so removing the cages and then replacing the windows with more energy efficient operable windows was absolutely the priority we because this was um because because the opportunity is for windows and doors we decided to do an assessment and ask the architect to do an assessment of the doors as well while we were at it and so that's what they did and we you know we identified doors that needed to be replaced and we you know we we talked about the the front entry which has currently has accessibility issues which we know we needed to remedy and then we talked about the energy the inefficiency of the the current system with only that one the single door so there was some discussion about you know and it's true if you look at the project budget and we might be getting to a question related to this there are some costs related to that front entry that the SBA B has actually deemed as ineligible because they're there that is not considered within the typical scope for a door project for them they most of the cost related to the front door the front entry is eligible cost but there is about $40,000 worth related to that double entry that they will not match and we had a conversation about that at the school building committee and I think the consensus was that this was this this you know the the investment was really worth it even though that portion is not going to be matched at 50 percent the investment in the double entry the energy efficiency associated with it the safety features the comfort features the daylight all those other amenities associated with this entry

▶ 1:23:44 Monica C. Medeiros: really made it worthwhile and I had been on the school building committee for this part of it I just was I'm glad to hear you you know just tell everybody at home what what process we went through and I know we talked a lot about the door and you know what's there especially for people who don't go to the Hoover School and maybe aren't familiar with it is just a I think we had a before picture it's just a slab of metal basically that you can't see through in or out and so we had also talked that this is putting the you know clear front yeah or front double doors it's and allow the kids and parents who are picking up their kids the kids can stay within the vestibule instead of kind of in and out and a little bit more safety more energy efficient because every time that doors opened all the wind was just funneling right down the hallway whether it be hot wind or cold wind and this at least traps it in that that area and that I think the panels that we made on the door are a little bit smaller in case of breakage than not just one big piece of glass at least from the drawing here right so i remember that coming up in the discussion too but they're still big pieces of glass but not quite as big so thank you alderman Medeiros

▶ 1:25:06 Peter D. Mortimer: and next in line we have president khan please yeah a couple of questions relative to the

▶ 1:25:22 Speaker 1: financial impact and for for people who are watching watching us at home tonight hopefully Hopefully there are some. One of the reasons that these projects are attractive to the board is because we are getting a significant reimbursement from the state. $54, $0.54 of every eligible dollar. So, this is one of the rare instances where another level of government is actually assisting us. What I would like you folks to explain, if you could, is, I'll fire up my questions and then you can take whatever one you like first. Please explain when we're going to do the bonding, what the terms of the bond will be, how much we're going to borrow, and then how the reimbursement from the school building authority will work, and on what schedule we will be repaid.

▶ 1:26:17 Speaker 7: I can answer one of those questions. Good.

▶ 1:26:19 Speaker 1: Another one. Hopefully someone else can answer some of the others.

▶ 1:26:25 Speaker 7: The one Denise can tell, for the reimbursement, they submit invoices to the MSBA.

▶ 1:26:28 Denise Gaffey: We submit them monthly, they reimburse us as we go.

▶ 1:26:31 Speaker 7: We'll borrow $700,000 at some point, depending on the schedule. I have to get, well we'll temporarily borrow for a year anyways. And we'll borrow probably the $700,000 a year from this November. And then depending on the market and what things look like and how much of it is done, there's a number of factors that go into when you actually bond it, generally like to bond.

▶ 1:26:54 Speaker 1: I know you like, you need to time it out so that you get the most favorable rate you can.

▶ 1:27:00 Speaker 7: It's, and we also have to bucket it with the other items. It's expensive to go out to bond, there's costs associated with it, so you don't want to be bonding every month, so generally our season is November. So we'd probably front the money from our treasury a year from this summer to do the $700,000 worth of work. Have the 1.4 coming back and forth, then get the $700,000 in November. Sit on that in temporary debt for a year, and then issue the bond.

▶ 1:27:28 Speaker 1: And when will the reimbursement schedule start? Does it start when we sign the contract? Does it start when we break ground on the project? When do we start getting-

▶ 1:27:38 Denise Gaffey: It's already started. mean we because we're we're invoicing them now on the feasibility phase so you know we're not doing a lot right now so there hasn't been an invoice in a while to submit but once the project ramps up again we will submit invoices regularly and they reimburse us regularly and they and this is a process we've been doing now since the middle school so we're very familiar with it and you know they'll hold on to a chunk of funding at the end and until they audit the project

▶ 1:28:07 Speaker 1: and then they release the final payment is there any doubt in anybody's mind that this is a project that can be done during the summer recess so that it

▶ 1:28:16 Speaker 4: doesn't interfere with the use of the school we believe this is the right

▶ 1:28:19 Speaker 12: decision I'm working with a number of districts that are doing it at the same time I started with Melrose doing it for summer 2015 and it is insane because the lead time to get windows fabricated if you're lucky is eight weeks it's more 12 14 16 weeks so by getting it bid you know in the late quarter of this year will be you know got that contractor aligned and submittals done in approval so production can happen well you know in the last part of next year school

▶ 1:28:51 Speaker 1: year so the physical job can be done during summer of 216 and it's not going going to spill into the next school year, as far as you can see. Correct. Well, Mr. Chairman, as other aldermen have indicated, this is not something that's a surprise to us. We've supported this project along the way. It, again, seems like something that needs to be done. I always enjoy it when we get back money from the school building authority, so I'm going to support these orders tonight.

▶ 1:29:23 Peter D. Mortimer: Thank you, President Kahn. Next in line, we have Alderman Forbes, please.

▶ 1:29:28 Speaker 6: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

▶ 1:29:32 Scott M. Forbes: Again, going later in the pecking order, all your questions seem to get taken. As far as the timeline for the work, it seems like this is almost going to be a seasonal project, so one of my questions was going to be the reimbursement schedule, but it seems like instead of going or applying for reimbursement from a month-to-month type of type of schedule may just be right at the end ongoing is there is there any

▶ 1:30:06 Scott M. Forbes: type of hold back once a project is completed to somebody come in and maybe 60 days 90 days and then there's a you know a final allocation of funds back to

▶ 1:30:17 Speaker 9: us okay okay and then about the contract I assume MSA reviews the construction

▶ 1:30:22 Scott M. Forbes: contract for safety and sound as they do an audit of the contract make sure everything is approved before before work takes for work breaks ground but

▶ 1:30:39 Scott M. Forbes: with what the contract is going to be doing the work correct okay and then finally just about the storefront I think I for me I guess one of the benefits is one of the I laugh when I call it storefront too because it's a school and I think I'm walking in to buy something but for me one of the benefits is having the dual entry for me it's always been a public safety thing and with the Hoover School you you walk in you open a door and you're in the hallways and for me it's having that dual access because if there is somebody that doesn't belong in that school if this is going to be our main entryway you have one set of doors you have a gap and then you have the school so if we have adequate security in that school I know that's something that not only the parents have been fighting for but the administrator has been fighting for for quite some time if that is going to be the main focal point of getting into the school and making sure that the teachers are safe and that the and that the the kids are safe I'm definitely happy that that is a welcome addition to that building it's a 50 60 year old building with original windows and an original door frame so I am very happy that this project is moving forward and I give you a hundred percent support so thank you very much mr. chairman Thank You

▶ 1:31:51 Gail Infurna: alderman Forbes alderman Inferno please thank you very much mr. chairman you may have said this before and I I apologize but I was really blown away by the looks of the door and I really meant it when I said what a difference a door makes because I'm not real familiar with the Hoover School I'm pretty parochial to the school in my ward but it it just makes such a great difference so I was I think I was really concentrating on that and and if anybody was in Melrose and seeing school building in the 70s you'll realize my question the windows do they

▶ 1:32:26 Denise Gaffey: open that's a really astute question actually we spent a lot of time Cindy's gonna come over for this one because there's a safety concern obviously about kids you know not you know getting out of windows or people getting in but also the ability to kids for kids to be able to get out if they're especially from the first floor if there was some kind of incident do the windows they look

▶ 1:32:47 Gail Infurna: like they were big pain and then a lower pain on the bottom just a single home so

▶ 1:32:54 Speaker 2: yeah so what we what we agreed upon just because of what Denise told you it's first of all kids are kids and I don't want kids fooling around opening a window and doing something dumb but we also need to have a way to escape the windows if we had to so I believe one window per classroom but it will have a safety lock that can be undone that in the case of an emergency we can get that window up and get kids out the window if we have to otherwise they can only go up

▶ 1:33:25 Speaker 2: what is it there's a limit stop the others are a limit stop so that so every

▶ 1:33:28 Speaker 5: window will open right to a certain degree well not every window but it's

▶ 1:33:32 Speaker 12: comparable to the operable portions that are in the existing right I understand

▶ 1:33:39 Gail Infurna: the safety issues too but I'm also concerned with air fresh air coming into the building and having the ability to open the windows to get that real fresh air and not all this techie mechanical air that goes through so that was just a question because we do know we have schools that were built you know with windows that don't open and will the windows have a screen on them yes yes great thank you well it's an exciting project for the Hoover community so wish

▶ 1:34:09 Speaker 5: them well and I've certainly will support it thank you very much Alderman

▶ 1:34:12 Peter D. Mortimer: Inferno next we have Alderman McAteer-Margolis please thank you Mr.

▶ 1:34:17 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: Chairman yes I'm going to support this also it's really beautifully designed I think it makes a huge difference in the look of the building and and having gone up there many times community reading day and whatnot I think you know I like the vestibule the second entrance does that gain us anything Denise in terms of extra reimbursement for making it green or more more energy efficient or

▶ 1:34:44 Denise Gaffey: anything like that I don't think there's anything we can apply for specifically for like a utility you know rebate but it definitely is a more energy efficient sewer right it will save energy cost because you have that double and built

▶ 1:35:01 Speaker 12: into the criteria of the program is every bit of new construction has to be fully matching the energy code or stretch code you know whether whether a community has adopted or not MSBA has and I'm so the windows themselves or the

▶ 1:35:18 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: glass is such that it is you know whatever it is triple paned or it's it's

▶ 1:35:21 Speaker 12: it's not triple it's it's whatever it's supposed to be low-e yeah low-e right

▶ 1:35:26 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: right are there any additional costs for things like soft furnishings for those windows do we need any shades there will be shades okay it's built into the program and it's already built in there yes okay and is that one of the items that it's not is that is reimbursable right okay and what about in terms of your actual construction project the process when you're taking out the new windows you've anticipated some asbestos abatement and do you have some additional costs and time figured out then so there's already been a hazardous

▶ 1:36:04 Denise Gaffey: materials assessment done that was part of the feasibility study obviously so we could factor in the cost into the total budget so we have a pretty good handle

▶ 1:36:18 Speaker 4: on those kind of materials that are in in the building so that'll be part of

▶ 1:36:20 Denise Gaffey: the GC's contract is doing the abatement as they go and I'm sorry when we were

▶ 1:36:26 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: talking about the entry I meant to ask and I do think I saw it in there a new security system for the doors yes yes okay and my last question relates to the to the bathroom because we're over a certain amount we have to add another there are already accessible bathrooms in the building are there not or no no

▶ 1:36:50 Speaker 2: no not really so when you walk into Hoover and you take a left behind the Secretary's area at the end of that corridor yeah there is really what is the teachers bathroom so it can be updated to be a unisex handicapped bathroom with an extra wide door and the features we need so you're not impacting

▶ 1:37:09 Mary Beth McAteer-Margolis: any student space or any and any staff space except for our current existing bathroom right okay great that was those were my questions thank you very much it's I'm happy to support it it looks like I'm gonna be a nice addition up

▶ 1:37:26 Peter D. Mortimer: there in the woods thank you Alderman McAteer-Margolis next we have

▶ 1:37:31 Jaclyn L. Bird: have an ultimate bird please thank you mr. chairman I'm excited about this project it's certainly a place where I spend an incredible amount of time to the tune of five days a week 180 days so and one of my sons will be thrilled and the other will be disappointed that we won't get to it until he's in the middle school but that's okay so when it comes to the emergency management piece did we have emergency management officials weigh in at the school building committee discussions my concern is twofold one you know that obviously the concern for years has been that we have bars on the window and we're concerned about that safety hazard you know and then the new one would be are we adhering to any kind of best practices as far as updated school safety guidelines that we're looking at so look at this project last summer the governor

▶ 1:38:19 Speaker 2: governor had a commission release new guidelines for school safety all the architects are familiar with them they are not mandated because then again the state may have to pay for them if they mandated them but they are recommended and the architects are familiar with them the contractors are familiar with them and when we were entering this project we discussed those guidelines with everyone that's why you're hearing me talk about the window that can be opened it's also part of the reason for removing the cages the cages were contrary to the current guidelines you know the current protocol for school emergencies one of the options is to escape the building and you need have to have multiple means for kids to escape a building and so that's one of the things

▶ 1:39:11 Jaclyn L. Bird: we're addressing here and it's certainly not something that most of us want to think about all the time but that is so important and just in case you know because parents have asked this in the past and I believe we've discussed it here was the reason we can't take the cages off right now and have to replace window is that it would damage the casings around it is that correct we were concerned that if we you know if they say well the concern now would be can we take the cages off and then replace the windows the problem was that we were concerned I believe in the past that it was by removing the cages it was

▶ 1:39:43 Speaker 12: damaging the sill enough that we couldn't really yeah do that somewhat

▶ 1:39:46 Denise Gaffey: rusted together okay yeah and the beauty of this project of course is that we're getting 50% of it paid for.

▶ 1:39:51 Jaclyn L. Bird: Absolutely, no, no, not to take away that, just to be clear with people that ask. And then the last thing, and not at all to appear greedy, but I'm just curious, when we hear about the lead time for this project and we know that the physical plant at the Hoover is very similar, if not the exact same, to the Franklin, I think with the exception of the basement, do they still have over there the same types of things with the cages on the windows, or is the Hoover now the last one that has those?

▶ 1:40:17 Speaker 2: No, Franklin doesn't have the cages.

▶ 1:40:18 Jaclyn L. Bird: don't have the cages anymore yeah okay all right excellent thank you thank you

▶ 1:40:24 Peter D. Mortimer: very much mr. chairman Thank You Alderman Byrd Alderman Forbes please I

▶ 1:40:28 Scott M. Forbes: just do have one quick question for a project that's not scheduled until next year it's just more or less a money allocation question when would when would the money be needed and when would the money actually be dispersed or bonded just more or less a curiosity question for for me we're something a project that's scheduled so far like what's the timeline for something like

▶ 1:40:53 Speaker 6: that not until they spend not until they

▶ 1:40:54 Speaker 7: spend not until we have an expense that we have to cover so like like i said before it'd probably be a year from this november before we'd incur any debt we never want to we wouldn't borrow it now correct for interest so probably a year from november we'll

▶ 1:41:11 Scott M. Forbes: get our share and you would be looking for these

▶ 1:41:13 Denise Gaffey: funds when well we'll we'll start we'll we'll be amending contracts as soon as we get this authorization and in according to our schedule to meet our schedule even though it sounds like we have a lot of time it's actually still pretty aggressive because we want to bid it this year so we'll these folks next to me are gonna start rolling up their sleeves and yeah in doing some serious work in order to put the construction

▶ 1:41:38 Speaker 4: documents together and then put it out to bid so we will be spending money this

▶ 1:41:41 Speaker 7: summer and the fall okay and hearing that i mean it's an annual review that we do on these types of things if they spend three hundred thousand dollars between now and the fall we'll borrow some money in november of this year to cover this year's cost right because we're fronting the money out of the treasury when we close the year end and put in another bucket it would hit

▶ 1:42:01 Speaker 7: free cash so there's a whole situation we look at that and then occasionally we also borrow in may

▶ 1:42:12 Speaker 6: timing again it depends okay understand thank you very much thanks thank you alderman forbes

▶ 1:42:15 Peter D. Mortimer: seeing no other alderman wishing to be heard motion to recommend we have a motion to recommend this order for passage by alderman forbes the ward alderman for the area duly seconded by alderman bird at large but who spends uh copious amounts of time at the hoover school and all in favor of the motion to recommend this order for passage please say aye any opposed hearing none these two orders the two conjoined orders have been recommended for passage at our next full board meeting thank you very much for speaking before us we have a motion to adjourn by alderman Boyce L duly seconded by alderman Byrd all in favor of a German please say aye any opposed Those hearing none, the Committee on Appropriations is now adjourned. Thank you, one and all.