ORDER-2018-189 : Authorizing a Bond under the Water Enterprise System through MWRA Local Water System Assistance Program bonds for FY2019 in the amount of One Million, Twenty Five Thousand Dollars ($1,025,000)

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▶ 51:43 Speaker 8: second we have a motion to close the public hearing made by Alderman Forbes seconded by President Search all in favor aye any opposed public hearing is

▶ 51:54 Peter D. Mortimer: is now closed motion to remove orders 1 8 7 1 8 8 and 1 8 9 as conjoined earlier

▶ 52:01 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: this evening from the table we have a motion to remove the conjoined conjoined orders 2018 1 8 7 2018 1 8 8 and 2018 1 8 9 from the table second seconded by was that Alderman Forbes yes seconded by Alderman Forbes on discussion all in favor? Aye. Opposed? We'll now return to the previous presentation by Mr. Shenna

▶ 52:45 Speaker 2: and Ms. Porway-Cazales. The first portion of our presentation concentrated on roadway. This middle portion is on water and what I have here is a capital efficiency program. It studied every inch of our water system, every street

▶ 53:07 Speaker 2: and every component of it and what it does is look at 3 3 3 evaluations or it looks at every system in three ways from a hydraulic evaluation perspective and asset management and a critical component and when the rings went when the street falls into two of the rings or three of the rings that's how it gets ranked it results in projects like dave street which we just completed that's the pipe on day street um if you zoom in closely you can maybe get this pen through that area but that's the pipe that residents on along day street were living with we can go to the next one there's altamont ave and And you can see, not as bad as Day Street, because there's more volume, but that's horrific, tuberculation in those pipes.

▶ 53:59 Speaker 2: This is Warwick Road. On the right is the picture of the existing water main. We had no control over that water main, meaning if there was an issue, we couldn't shut it down. We had to bring in specialized equipment to put an insertion valve in place, so this way we could get proper control,

▶ 54:21 Speaker 3: and we can get proper lining and proper volume.

▶ 54:22 Speaker 2: What they result in mathematically, without getting into heavy numbers, is improvement in fire flow. On Day Street, we went from 350 to 530 gallons per minute. On Altamont Ave, we went from an average of 275 to 300 gallons a minute to well over 1,000, and in some instances, 1,200 gallons a minute,

▶ 54:47 Speaker 3: four times the amount of flow coming out of the hydrant.

▶ 54:49 Speaker 2: When we did these a few weeks ago, we couldn't test Perkins, there was still work going on, but look at Warwick Road. That water main that we had no control of, hydrant flows went from 200 to 350,

▶ 55:05 Speaker 3: to 1190 to 1250.

▶ 55:08 Speaker 2: That's what happens when you invest in the water system. And that's why the order before you

▶ 55:16 Speaker 2: will look to improve the water system on Florence Street SEC little pieces of third Street from Florence to Trenton on East Emerson from Stratford to Lincoln and Garfield Road on Ashmont and Ashmont Park the water systems in those areas mirror what you just saw and this this this capital study highlighted that and that's why we're presenting those as our next area

▶ 55:49 Speaker 2: to improve the water system on the last order has to do with I&I I'm going to let our city engineer present this they've done an exceptional job Western Samson our city engineer Elena per week to sell us we have a project engineer Scott Dixon who's been working without exaggeration sometimes night and day because he's out doing flow tests at night representing our department They've done a really good job with this program. We're going to backtrack, as we always do with the I&I, tell you what we've been doing, why we've been doing it, and what we're proposing to do moving forward.

▶ 56:23 Speaker 3: Thanks, John.

▶ 56:25 Speaker 9: And I just want to acknowledge that we have John Potts and Ryan Henley here from Weston and Sampson. They've been our consultants on the ongoing I&I program. They're doing a terrific job, so they are here to support, and if anyone has highly technical questions that they may want to answer, they can do that.

▶ 56:44 Speaker 9: So I'm just going to give a quick review of what is I&I. It's something that I think even after we talk about it over and over, there's still sometimes confusion, especially for anybody watching from home. And then what's been accomplished since 2016, and then what we're planning next. So I&I is infiltration and inflow. And this is specific to the sewer system. It's not the drainage system that's collecting rainwater runoff. This is just sanitary sewer that is intended to carry the waste from your homes and from our schools and public buildings and everything else to the MWRI system and off to Deer Island for treatment. Infiltration is groundwater that gets into that system. So sometimes if pipes are in a very wet area, they can be submerged completely in groundwater. A lot of our system is upwards of 100 years old. They're old clay pipes. They have joints every three feet. they have cracks in them you know clay is not something that you expect to withstand over a hundred years of usage so that's how infiltration gets in that's just from the groundwater directly into the pipes inflow is rainfall induced so that's when it's raining if there are holes in a manual cover and the water ponds up on it and it goes into the sewer that way it can be things that are unintentionally or illegally connected to the sewer system So if there's a catch basin in the street, if there's a catch basin grate that's collecting rainwater, and that pipe is inadvertently, or maybe somebody thought it was the right idea at the time when it was done 100 years ago, tied into the sanitary sewer, that's inflow. So when it's raining, that's going into the sewer instead of into the drainage system where it belongs. I also have a reminder here, sump pumps are a big contributor to illegal inflow. it is not legal to have a sump pump in your house that's collecting the water around your foundation or coming in your basement to have that connected to the sewer and that includes when you take the pipe and you throw it into the discharge pipe from your washing machine or when you throw it into the slop sink in your basement that is a legal inflow and that's a major contributor to this problem and people don't think about that they don't they think I'm just making the water go away and they don't think conceptually about the fact that that's going into the sewer and getting sent all the way to Deer Island to be treated and then discharged so MWRA every year does an estimate on how much of our flow is regular sanitary flow and how much is infiltration how much is in flow so the red bars are our sanitary flow you can see that that's pretty consistent it goes up and down a little bit with population estimates and then the infiltration is the yellow that goes up and down with typically how wet of a season we have so you see 2016 is the last bar on the chart there that was the drought year so that's why our I&I was lower that year and similarly inflow will follow rainfall patterns so again in the drought year in 2016 it was lower that's the blue bar and it was lower than had been in previous years but what we want to see is that red bar will tend to stay consistent and we want to see those yellow and blue bars shrinking as we move forward with our program and i didn't mention

▶ 1:00:05 Speaker 9: about set it on that slide and it was mentioned before 50 to 60 percent of our flow in our wastewater system is infiltration and inflow it's not sanitary flow it's not flow that needs to be treated it's not flow that needs to be pumped all the way to deer island and then to go through all of their high-tech processes for treatment because it is clean water that should be just staying local in melrose we've taken advantage of all of the mwra loans to date that were available to us that would be 6 million 76 300 we're currently spending the phase 9 and 10 allocations and that was the 2.162 million that was authorized about a year year and a half ago

▶ 1:00:54 Speaker 9: and then the phase 11 money that we're anticipating that we're requesting tonight for fiscal 19 is 1.081 million um with 75 of that being grant money so it makes it extremely advantageous for us to to take that money i've said it over and over but this money is funded from the rate payers of mwra so it is our money to take back it's allocated based on our percent share and if we don't use it and it goes someday back into the pool somebody else is just using our grant money and our loan money so we want to take full advantage of this

▶ 1:01:29 Speaker 9: program reviewing what we've been doing in the last couple of years we started in 2016 with flow metering citywide to identify where the highest I and I was coming into the system we identified the top five areas those are the ones listed there 3 7 15 18 and 20 a we started with what's called a sewer system evaluation survey then we've done some manhole rehabilitation some lining of pipelines and we have one project left to do one larger project we have some smaller things to do as well which is to fix anything that we couldn't fix with trenchless technologies so that trenchless is the lining that we've been doing or the spraying of cement in the manholes that doesn't involve digging up the street there are some things that just can't be fixed with that technology and we still need to go back and dig up the street so that will be bid this summer so that sanitary sewer evaluation survey included flow isolation that's the work in the middle of the night that john was referring to that's seeing what the infiltration is at times of day when nobody should really be using their water or it's very minimal we cleaned and inspected we we did flow isolation 94 000 feet a pipe clean it inspected another 90,000 with video inspections inspected 540 manholes did smoke testing this work was done the contractor was inland waters Weston Sampson also did a lot of they did the smoke testing and the manhole inspections in-house and from that information that we gathered we identified thirty three thousand five hundred feet of sewers that were the best technology for them was to line them and so that work is just about done and then they went back and did flow isolation in the middle of the night again to compare what the flows were in those segments of pipe before we line them and after we lined them so these are the results just from the the lining project of that flow isolation there are a lot of numbers here for those interested you can take a real detailed look but I'm going to just give the highlights we lined at the time when this chart was made we had lined 186 of the 199 pipe segments that we identified for lining the nighttime flow in just those pipe segments last spring was 592 thousand gallons per day so half a million gallons per day plus in the middle of the night in just these 199 segments once we finished the project we went back to those segments we had a hundred six thousand gallons per day so it's a huge decrease in flow and it's this is considered peak flow so this isn't you wouldn't see that over the whole course of the year but in the spring when infiltration is the highest we're seeing over four hundred thousand gallons per day of removal and then we tried to extend that into what it is for the whole year if you assume that the The annual average is half the peak. You get 202,000 gallons per day. If you assume it's 75%, it's 303. But one way or another, it's a lot of flow having been removed for this most recent project. And we also looked at the flow removed, the cost per gallon of that flow removed, just to give a reality check to the I&I mitigation fee that the board approved last year. And the fee is $6.89 per gallon per day. and we're right in that ballpark between my high and low estimates right in the middle so I think we are continuing to charge people the right amount for new development to offset sewer capacity so this is just a nice picture of this is all the flow isolation of all 90,000 feet of pipe before before we did the lining and the red is the areas that had the highest flow and those were mostly the areas that were targeted for the removal and this is what it looks like afterwards so the yellow is no flow so there's a lot of areas if you look at the yellow here and toggle back and forth there's a lot of areas that are yellow now that were red or orange before so that means the lining did its job and has removed that nighttime flow and I did a quick cost-benefit analysis

▶ 1:05:46 Speaker 9: for that range of the average annual flow removed for the 202 to 303 thousand gallons per day on average that we remove through this project we save through the MWRI assessments based on how they calculate what they charge us we would be saving between one hundred twelve thousand and one hundred sixty eight thousand dollars per year one side note is that MWRI calculates our assessment based on a three-year rolling average so we wouldn't see the full benefit until we get out of all three of the previous years but this is the long-term projection of what this project just now saved us and the total project cost including design and construction was 1.5 million or so meaning it's a payback of about nine to thirteen years if we were paying the full amount but we're only paying 25% so our payback is on the order of two to four years so that's a terrific payback for for this type of project and why we encourage that we that we keep doing these projects so we keep seeing this sort of play back

▶ 1:06:56 Speaker 9: so i mentioned the next step is this open cut sewer rehabilitation project we identified about 2 000 feet of pipe that we need to actually excavate and replace and we plan to open bids in july and start construction in august we have about 375 000 left over from the previous allocation to go toward this but this project will cost more than that so that is part of the funding that we're requesting for the next authorization

▶ 1:07:24 Speaker 9: and this just summarizes what our next steps are so that the top half is all the things we still need to do in the areas that we're presently working in and the bottom half is the work we're gonna do in the next areas that we plan to go into based on that flow metering we did a couple years ago these are the next worst areas I do want to stress that the areas that we're working in now we're not done we've done the lining piece we've done some manhole lining we have more manhole lining that needs to be done we have the open cup project that needs to be done we also found when we were looking at inflow that immediate rainfall induced inflow 23% of the inflow in the entire city comes from one of our 30 sub areas which is sub area 15 the type of work we've done to date is not really targeting fixing that problem so we're going to try to do some more flow metering within that area to hone in on when it rains where do we see those giant spikes in flow because they have to be coming from somewhere there's got to be something tied in that we didn't pick up in in smoke testing the investigations we've done to date so we're gonna keep working in those areas and then we're gonna start in these four new areas 23 13 12 and 19 and we basically just start the whole thing over again it's kind of like Groundhog Day you go into the next area you wake up we do all the same things that we just did for the last two years just in the next area so this shows the purple

▶ 1:08:52 Speaker 9: are the areas that we are working in now and the orange is the new work locations so you can see we're covering a pretty good chunk of the city once we get into

▶ 1:09:10 Speaker 9: these new areas so MWRI will be releasing phases 11 and 12 in fiscal 19 we're just requesting the phase 11 number right now we've estimated this at 1.081 million because mwr has told us that the amounts for phases 11 and 12 at a minimum will be what they were in previous years in the in phases nine and ten so um we're requesting the 1.081 million once they release the money when we go for the phase 12 money if it's more than

▶ 1:09:46 Speaker 9: we anticipated we can get whatever additional piece is left over so that equates to for the actual loan two hundred seventy thousand two hundred fifty dollars that's the 25 percent of that amount and that's it presentation questions thank you we will

▶ 1:10:02 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: now move to questions and comments from the committee one housekeeping portion that I just want to draw the committee's attention to before we enter that phase is in each of these three orders there is an attachment entitled Melrose loan order in iqm2 this is legislative standard language for loans and bonds which we have done in the past the the amount has not changed where it's going has not changed but these were added today and so we would need to accept these with an amendment should that be the will of the committee

▶ 1:10:40 Peter D. Mortimer: since they were added in today alderman mortimer thank you very much chairman Lemmerman just a quick question for the knowledge of the public would you state where area 15 sub area 15 is

▶ 1:10:51 Speaker 9: please sub area 15 is this one the purple area down in the southern portion of the city so it's in the area of swain's pond ave dexter road lebanon street park street yeah it's sort of

▶ 1:11:04 Speaker 9: the hoover school neighborhood and to the south of that and we've traditionally had a problem

▶ 1:11:11 Peter D. Mortimer: There was a Facebook site called Melrose back in the day.

▶ 1:11:24 Peter D. Mortimer: And the cemetery used to have two ponds in it. They were vernal ponds, so I can imagine that area. What would you attribute the problem being on Park Street? Is it not at the top of Park Street?

▶ 1:11:37 Speaker 9: So the cemetery sits just outside the area, and the drainage going in that direction away from sub area 15 so it's most likely not the cemetery we're not sure at this time what's causing that level of inflow so the idea would be when we did the flow metering back in 2016 we had a flow meter at the end the downstream end of each of these sub areas what we're proposing to do now is to go back in the fall and put flow meters throughout just sub area 15 and it's very obvious when you have inflow infiltration is a little harder you have to wait for the groundwater to come up and then you see the flows coming up in flow all you need is one rainstorm and you see which flow meters have a spike and then you hone in on that neighborhood and you just get closer and closer so the the smoke testing is intended to find catch basins that are tied in and but what can prevent a catch basin that's tied into the sewer system from smoking when you put that smoke into the sewer is basically like the same sort of trap that you would have the same thing that prevents gases from the sewer from coming into your house where you have a little trap connection your sinks and toilets and everything or your sinks and drains when there's something that keeps water in it if you put smoke in from the vent you're not going to see it coming back out of the sink that would be that would be a

▶ 1:13:00 Peter D. Mortimer: letter P I'm not trying to be funny the letter P trap a letter P trap or an s

▶ 1:13:06 Speaker 9: trap exactly so I'm not saying about those actual traps but the same concept holds true for something you legally tied into the sewer system so you could have a whole section of drainage system it's tied into the sewer but if there's an area that holds water in between there it acts like a trap and it keeps that smoke when we put it in the sewer from coming back out the drain we use the smoke to try to find these connections but if there's that water

▶ 1:13:35 Peter D. Mortimer: dividing it it creates a hermetic seal creates an airtight seal which traps are

▶ 1:13:40 Speaker 9: designed to do yeah so we're so we're gonna have to get into this sub area and just put in meters and find where those flows are coming from thank you very

▶ 1:13:49 Peter D. Mortimer: much that's all I have madam chair thank you thank you Alderman Forbes thank you

▶ 1:13:53 Scott M. Forbes: very much I appreciate your presentation kind of disheartening to hear the 50 to sixty percent of the total wastewater that goes in to our lines ends up going into the NWRA for treatment as I and I the question I wanted to have is what about the water leak rate is that still between sixteen to twenty percent of the water that's coming in and hitting that master meter it doesn't actually get to

▶ 1:14:19 Speaker 9: the homes so our leak rate this year was estimated around eleven percent okay we we have a differential between the the water that we pay MWRA for and the water that we bill out is around nineteen and a half percent but then we have a lot of uses that we can account for that are not leaks things like when we flush the entire system we just flushed the whole system that uses that uses millions of gallons of water and we're able to account for that because we know how much we float each hydrant things like fighting fires and doing fire training drills or main replacement yeah water main replacement we have to flush lines and bypass pipes where the people aren't paying for the water while the bypass is being used we account for all of those and that brings that number from nineteen and a half down to where we were this past calendar year was around eleven percent of estimated leaks okay or unaccounted for it so it leaks or it's something else it could be metering issues with users who haven't

▶ 1:15:21 Scott M. Forbes: replaced their meters yet do we know what that translates into like gallons per day or is that something that you could possibly get for us I know we

▶ 1:15:29 Scott M. Forbes: talked about it in discussion I just don't I don't remember the actual figure

▶ 1:15:32 Speaker 9: yeah I can't remember our total usage per year okay and then for the areas

▶ 1:15:39 Scott M. Forbes: that were highlighted in red and then after you did the work they were still highlighted in red what are the countermeasures that you're going to take in those sections where it really didn't look like it had much of an

▶ 1:15:51 Speaker 9: effect yeah so those areas that means that either the infiltration was coming in through the sewer services or more likely when when they were out doing the nighttime flow isolation post construction they could hear sump pump cycling on and off in some of these areas so that makes us know that in this one sewer segment between one manhole and the next downstream manhole somebody has some pump tied in so narrows it down to you know 10 or 15 homes typically if that sometimes even fewer so we plan to go back to those areas where we could hear the cycling of sump pumps and just go door-to-door and talk to the folks who are there okay encourage them to disconnect whatever they have connected

▶ 1:16:33 Scott M. Forbes: and then I'm just I'm assuming as the work gets done we're continuing to monitor and collect data and other areas of city for the next go-around so we're trying to play chess and go three moves ahead instead of playing checkers and fixing as a reactive measure how we did in years past see a lot of overlap

▶ 1:16:48 Speaker 9: between on this next steps slide between finishing up in the areas where we are now and starting in the next areas there's we're gonna keep going with the investigations while we continue to fix the the problems that we're finding and

▶ 1:17:03 Speaker 3: last year we created a master plan of the entire city so we knew where we were gonna slide into next so now that you know it's just the next segment and we we were going to go next after this right so we have we have a big picture and like we're just

▶ 1:17:21 Scott M. Forbes: going to keep on moving down the line yeah and then on the road work box i know we're we're doing all three of these here together the 500 000 that we're requesting from chapter 90 assistance it was requested is there any way that that would ever get rejected 525 is what we've what we've received

▶ 1:17:35 Speaker 3: for several years now okay i mean it's a round number i think we got a little more might have been 529 this year when we call it 525 when we always hope to get more we very seldomly get less

▶ 1:17:49 Scott M. Forbes: all right that's a figure we feel comfortable with coming over the figure that we feel

▶ 1:17:52 Speaker 3: comfortable with we receive yeah we received it at least the last four or five years now

▶ 1:18:06 Scott M. Forbes: okay let's see i think that's all i have right now so i will yield thank you thank you

▶ 1:18:13 Robert A. Boisselle: This is a great presentation, both of you, and it was really worthwhile reading it. The question, though, came to my mind. You have a lot of these pictures here saying new sidewalks. What does a standard new sidewalk consist of? Is it the granite curb and the concrete?

▶ 1:18:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what we like to see is granite and concrete. are times when the neighborhood calls for something different south north and south high street it was very difficult over there to install granite and concrete we went with a more flexible pavement to give us a little more a little more play in accommodating the contours spare street the two winners fit that neighborhood there is a part it was a part of spare street that was cement and we we stayed with it and the balance we went with the two minutes so i mean

▶ 1:19:10 Speaker 3: our standard is granite and concrete but there are times we vary and we like to leave those up to the we like to leave that decision up to the neighborhood at times i mean it's their neighborhood and there are some neighborhoods that granite and concrete just don't fit and that's when we that's when we come off our standard and defer to the neighborhood so doing

▶ 1:19:30 Robert A. Boisselle: this project you had a lot of outreach to the public that's been affected by the construction

▶ 1:19:39 Speaker 2: and so forth how did that go i i have to applaud our engineers again they have neighborhood

▶ 1:19:43 Speaker 3: meetings on site in the neighborhood when the gas company goes out there then again when the water

▶ 1:19:50 Speaker 3: goes up water crew goes out there and then at the end when the road project starts so there are at

▶ 1:19:55 Speaker 2: least three meetings face to face right in their neighborhood we don't inconvenience them and bring

▶ 1:20:04 Speaker 3: them into city hall or things like that then we follow up with several notices um whether it's during a water project with um we're going to shut your water off we're going to put you on bypass we when can you be home when can we we they do a tremendous job notifying residents and keeping them in tune with what's happening and more importantly what's going to happen next

▶ 1:20:24 Robert A. Boisselle: now last week we had a heavy downpour of a lot of rain that came down and so forth streets water was just running uh three or four inches deep in some areas to the drains and so forth now where does that water go once it hits the drain is it counted in this calculation

▶ 1:20:48 Speaker 3: well we have separate drain sewer systems so for the most part i'd say a vast majority of that will end up in a storm watershed a drain watershed it could end up in el pond it could end up at the saugus river it could end up at swains or tower i mean there are some cross connections

▶ 1:21:02 Speaker 2: probably out there that's what the smoke testing looks to identify where where you have a catch

▶ 1:21:14 Speaker 3: basin that is connected into the sewer but for the most part it's separate and when we don't when we don't find that to be the case we quickly go out and try to address that and we try to

▶ 1:21:25 Robert A. Boisselle: identify it through this program the ini program now when you do one of these streets the infrastructure concerning the water lines do you find lead pipes leading to the home or within the home itself and do you ask if they can change it or do you require it to be changed no that's a

▶ 1:21:43 Speaker 3: very good question and again another area where the engineering office has been very aggressive we through our interns we have created a database where the lead where the lead services are both on the city side and on the private side for those who don't know the private side is from the shut off which is typically somewhere in the sidewalk into your home that portion of the water service is owned by the and it's the responsibility of the homeowner the the balance rate lays on the

▶ 1:22:10 Speaker 2: city if we find lead on the inside we let them know we notify them we typically leave a notice

▶ 1:22:17 Speaker 3: and now we also do a certain level of testing right you want to just tell them what typically would happen if we made an upgrade and they found lead on the inside yeah so um any place where

▶ 1:22:25 Speaker 9: we've been replacing the water main we're replacing with new copper pipe from the water main to that shutoff box as well as the shutoff box itself if we're replacing if it was already copper in the street and we find lead on the private side we just leave them a notice that says your service is lead and we strongly encourage you to replace it and we tell them a little bit about lead pipes and the effects on drinking water if the pipe in the street that we replaced is lead and we were placing that with copper and then their portion is also lead that's what we call a partial replacement so it's going from a full lead pipe to half copper half lead and that's actually that can actually increase the amount of lead in that customers drinking water for a period of time after that replacement and so mass DEP is very concerned about partial replacements so now when we do partial replacements we are required to take a sample before the replacement if our records show that it's going to be a partial and then we flush out the water right after the replacement we take a sample after the replacement and then we're providing a filter a kitchen faucet filter that screws on like a kind of like the Brita ones that screw on to your kitchen faucet but these are made specifically for lead removal with a second extra cartridge cartridge and a letter that instructs the homeowner to please use this for at least six months and then we're also still encouraging them to replace their side so that combination of things has resulted in

▶ 1:24:05 Robert A. Boisselle: quite a few people opting to replace their side is there a program where the homeowner who has the lead piping can get a financial assistance and getting

▶ 1:24:17 Speaker 9: the entire system replaced yeah we don't have anything but MWRA a while back you might have heard that they had a program but all that program was was just our regular loan program that we're already doing and they were just saying that we could extend that to the private property side and some towns own all the way to the house and other towns have opted to replace all the way to the house through that program but it's still just the zero percent interest loan there's no grant money involved in that program do you know what the

▶ 1:24:46 Robert A. Boisselle: average charge is to remove that type of piping from the street to the home

▶ 1:24:53 Speaker 9: itself i usually tell people about three thousand dollars but it it relates very strongly to how far back your house is set from the street and what type of landscaping you have are you going under the driveway are you going under a brick patio set of stairs yeah set of stairs a stone wall some things they can pull the line through but other things require actually repairing those

▶ 1:25:17 Robert A. Boisselle: so that can drive the costs up okay you mentioned that national grid or gas company and so forth will give you a certain amount of money for half the street what happens to the other half of the

▶ 1:25:30 Robert A. Boisselle: street we finish it with this order all right so the streets that are half done and half potholes and cracking are going to be fixed that's what we want to try to avoid moving forward

▶ 1:25:44 Speaker 3: national grid owns the trench and they tell us all the time well you know we all we own as a trench repair under their uh um under their i can't think of the standards utility companies

▶ 1:25:58 Speaker 2: work on them right now but and you know to a certain extent it's true but we try to work

▶ 1:26:04 Speaker 3: together so for several years they were going from the curb out past you know maybe a foot past the trench now we're trying to get them to do a little more a little more and you know we say okay we'll give do the trench here because we're coming but over here you're gonna do the whole road so i'm glad i'm glad we we're approaching it the way we are with them because it's creating a better end product moving forward for the neighborhoods very good again thank you for

▶ 1:26:26 Robert A. Boisselle: the presentation now will this presentation be online under at the website yeah we're going to

▶ 1:26:35 Speaker 3: probably put the whole thing on um but we will put more detail regard to the pavement management

▶ 1:26:42 Robert A. Boisselle: program online now is that going to be in your dpw area or is it on the general front page of the

▶ 1:26:50 Speaker 3: website we may put it on both initially may put it on the front page and then you know have its home

▶ 1:26:55 Robert A. Boisselle: permanent in the public perfect section perfect again thank you very much thank you for your

▶ 1:27:00 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: detailed work thank you thank you alderman Boisselle and of course just to mention um the public can also access this presentation on iqm2 president's workout that was gonna be a little longer thank

▶ 1:27:11 Michael P. Zwirko: Thank you Madam Chair. Thanks for this, very informative and I know that at least with respect to INI, you know this is I believe your third year here Ms. Paracas-Ellis and one of the highlights to hiring you was your previous work on INI and bringing that expertise here. So we're already starting to see the benefits of it and this is very comprehensive and greatly appreciate that. of my questions have already been answered but um i want to push a little further just because i don't think that i under understand fully so i'll start with those um you referred to the orange sections that are going to be the areas that we're going to target next did those come out of in last last year you showed it to us and it's also in some of the materials here those those spikes that you talked about so are those areas where the spikes were the highest is

▶ 1:28:06 Speaker 9: that how we're we're kind of going with the highest um pitches so those areas are the the next highest right um and i think when i showed you those graphs last year i think i was showing you spikes for inflow so that would be right when it rains but there's also sort of the the gradual increase as the groundwater comes up and that's infiltration so we have separate rankings for every sub area for inflow and infiltration and then weston samson combined them to create an overall ranking for

▶ 1:28:34 Michael P. Zwirko: each sub area so that's how we're picking the orange section because it's primarily the east

▶ 1:28:45 Michael P. Zwirko: side it does appear to be primarily yeah uh the other um so you had mentioned um and alderman forbes brought this up that the areas that we had completed or at least partially completed there were still some red lines and that's likely due to some pumps so how exactly do we enforce that and and a caveat or a coda to that rather do we have um the enforcement ability to go in just like we do with water meters to you know inspect someone's home we do and it all depends

▶ 1:29:11 Speaker 9: on what approach the city chooses to take moving forward mass dep is putting pressure on us because of our high inflow numbers to do some form of both public outreach and house to house inspections so we thought the easiest way to start this house to house inspection program is in these areas where we know somebody has a sump pump tied in and just sort of informally try to work with them but the the approach that other towns have taken really runs the gamut between um strict enforcement it is it's illegal by state plumbing code so that makes it very easy to enforce it's not um it's not like we need our own local ordinance saying that it's illegal and i think we even have language in our ordinances saying that it's illegal um but we do have the right to show up at somebody's door say we're going to inspect and then you know charge a fee or say they're in violation of state plumbing code but that's usually not the best way to get people to disconnect their sump pumps some towns will have some sort of an amnesty program where they'll say we're gonna come in and inspect your home and we'll work with you and if you repair it within this certain amount of time then we won't find you and we won't take any other action and we'll actually help you design where to put the flow instead of where you have it now some towns use their state revolving fund money or other money to actually pay a portion of the cost they'll say we'll give you you know five hundred dollars a thousand dollars toward your relocation of that

▶ 1:30:52 Speaker 9: sump pump if you do it now and then other towns just say you're on your own and and you know we found the problem and it's up to you to fix it so there's a range of ways to deal with it and i think it's going to need to be a community decision how we

▶ 1:31:06 Michael P. Zwirko: want to go forward so it's good to know what we can do i guess my question is what are we doing now we're not doing anything and and how big of an issue is the sump pumps in our ini is there a percentage amount that we know is it ballpark 25 of you know the city it's hard to tell um

▶ 1:31:23 Speaker 9: because it gets mixed in when you see it is both when groundwater is high and when you've just had a storm but you see it for several days after a storm so sometimes you can kind of glean that from the data but it's very hard to separate that out um well you know it's a problem they

▶ 1:31:41 Michael P. Zwirko: have some numbers but you know it's considerable would that be fair um

▶ 1:31:46 Speaker 9: it in new england it tends to be considerable so i i don't know that we can say that from the data we have right now but it becomes like they become easier to identify once we've gone through

▶ 1:32:00 Michael P. Zwirko: right because the red will stand out sections we've addressed manholes they've addressed

▶ 1:32:03 Speaker 3: joints they've addressed um man-to-man whole liners and now you're out there in the middle

▶ 1:32:09 Speaker 3: of the night people are sleeping you're still seeing flow it's not raining and you can kind of oh okay wait a minute there's a problem on the street and i think you can see it those are

▶ 1:32:20 Speaker 2: the areas that are still red i mean i guess as we progress through the city those areas are still

▶ 1:32:26 Speaker 3: going to be red we're not going to lose track of them and i think that's something that we can go out and and heavily educate those neighborhoods in hopes that they do the right thing and make their uh make their adjustments i mean but right now we're doing nothing we're working on a brochure

▶ 1:32:39 Speaker 9: that we might either do as a bill stuffer or a blog post um just starting to educate people something would help you know yeah so that that's going to be our first step and then we are going to do something in the areas where we've been working we have to start something because dep is requiring us they've made it very clear in recent months that they're going to require us

▶ 1:33:04 Michael P. Zwirko: to start something yeah i mean i don't i don't want to you know just start knocking on people's doors and barging in their homes i know they're obviously going to be a capital issue here and when people renovate their house if you have plumbing work or electrical work sometimes they rip down a wall and say you know this i can't allow this to exist this way we have to we have have to fix this it's not up to code so I know that those instances may happen when someone's putting in a new bathroom or or the like but as we're using the funds that are available from the MWRA and you know they're interest-free and they're helpful it's nice to have you know hand-in-hand enforcement on our side and if we're not doing anything I just feel that we're you know literally letting money just leak through the system so something would be better than nothing and if there's something that we as the board could help in that area we would I think like to be a part of that conversation so the other two questions are related to the capital program you had mentioned the Dexter Road area is going to be redone the road I think I remember from when the development was

▶ 1:34:20 Speaker 3: going through will there be sidewalks that are added to that street it does

▶ 1:34:26 Michael P. Zwirko: okay and the main to Sylvan section so that's as you noted a very wide portion and studies have shown the narrower the road the more traffic calming it can be that that section of Main Street can certainly get traffic up to 40 miles an hour at times. And furthermore, right at the junction of Maine and Sylvan, it's wide enough for two lanes, but it's not striped for two lanes. But MBTA buses and folks turning left onto Sylvan when they're heading south, et cetera, you know where I'm going with this. It turns into two lanes naturally. So I think that there's a benefit if we are going to repave, if there's going to be some significant striping. We could even have dedicated, as opposed to sharrows, we could actually it's I believe it's wide enough for dedicated bike lane and and still on street parking I would like to see some safety improvements there I don't know if there's a plan to make a left turn only or two lanes towards that intersection or if striping is gonna make it dedicated to one but right now it's used as two and it's and it's not so that's all in the works it's all in

▶ 1:35:34 Speaker 3: the narrative of the scope we're not gonna move the curb that cost isn't in there yeah but the cost to pay from curb to curb and then to restripe it and obviously when we restripe it we're going to look at lane width we're going to look at traffic safety bike accommodations parking all of that comes into play but we are going that we we are going to look at those type of issues and try to you know take that really wide section of road especially at night

▶ 1:36:02 Michael P. Zwirko: and narrow it down it has to be like the widest section of road in the city right probably probably

▶ 1:36:07 Speaker 9: yeah when we submitted it for complete streets in our prioritization plan we referred to that as a road diet area so where you would break the road down and try to slim the waistline this is for different uses yeah so um ideally if we can get dedicated bike lanes that would be terrific but that'll remain to be seen when we get into the details sure well and i look forward

▶ 1:36:26 Michael P. Zwirko: to that and it's just been something i mean it's i live in that area so i'm probably a little bit more familiar with it but um i i appreciate all this work and again um great improvements looking at those gallons of flows and all the work that's been done especially with our consultants thank you for it it doesn't go unnoticed and i know it's um the the difficulty with with all this stuff is that as you know it's under the road so it's not if you know you just can't throw money at it it's it's it's human resources it's time it's as much as we would like to accelerate this program it does take years especially when you're dealing with an agent system like ours so it's it's appreciated those are all the questions

▶ 1:37:13 Monica C. Medeiros: I had at this time Thank You madam chair I think I know we'll all get all get

▶ 1:37:18 Manisha Bewtra: called on eventually but thank you thank you you may have already mentioned this but I may have missed it but how long would will it take to complete the I&I work if we're kind of assuming we're keeping on kind of the pace we're at the

▶ 1:37:38 Speaker 9: easiest answer is never so I and I work is something that will probably always be done at the pace we're going we have 30 sub areas if we're doing five sub four to five sub areas every two or so years so 12 15 years but but i think even that's

▶ 1:38:04 Speaker 9: you know that's ambitious you do reach a point though eventually where you've tackled all the major problems and it no longer becomes cost effective to fix you know to spend a million dollars to line a pipe that only has a couple small leaks becomes far cheaper to just send that water from those couple small leaks off to the mwra so um maybe in 12 years we'll reach that

▶ 1:38:33 Manisha Bewtra: that tipping point i think that answered my second question which is how long do the improvements um typically last so it's effectively just kind of an ongoing like the the lining is said to last um

▶ 1:38:49 Speaker 9: 25 or so years but that's also with the caveat that this type of lining hasn't been around for more than probably 30 40 years so you know a lot of it is sort of untested so there they give a pretty conservative estimate on how long liners will last but maybe the last 50 years maybe the last 75 years that remains to be seen

▶ 1:39:12 Manisha Bewtra: hopefully they do my other questions were I guess back to sidewalks so you You mentioned that neighborhoods can have a voice in what materials are used. Can you expand on that a little bit, and also the pros and cons of various different types of materials, and the extent to which ... I mean, sidewalks are also a way of connecting different neighborhoods to each other, and I know North and South High Street are fairly isolated and dexter road is isolated but relatively in terms of cross traffic but um sidewalks are a way to get around the city so i guess just the to the extent the general public or broader community can weigh in when it might be a path that you know gets them to their own house

▶ 1:40:05 Speaker 3: in the next neighborhood over yeah that's a discussion we always have especially in areas that don't have sidewalks but our preference is cement and granite and that's what we push for at the end of the day if we get a lot of pushback we may give in if if uh especially if the engineering kind of it makes it easier on the engineering like north and south high but for the most part that is what we that is what we fund that's what we estimate estimating that's what we that's what we initially present granted and cement in as many areas as we can that's the consistent look we want to try to create throughout the community in terms of connectivity the complete street program did a great job looking at that and we have map shows where there are sidewalks whether or not sidewalks spare and hancock street was one of those areas where we really wanted a sidewalk because there's a complete street project that will connect what we just built to the school so we're looking at that that complete street program has really helped us look at okay well how are we going to get everybody around um so we do look at those type of things and that's what kind of and that's the selling point because there are a lot of people they don't have a sidewalk today and they don't want a sidewalk but we tell them that it's it's not their property it's not their frontage and and part of the reason we put sidewalks is so that we can get people from place to place and it tends to work now it tends to work with um allowing us in to make those improvements we've had overwhelming support in the neighborhoods

▶ 1:41:35 Speaker 9: that we've added sidewalks to maybe one or two people who complained in the rest of the neighborhood very happy with with the outcome and one thing i want to add about granite curbs while they are always our preference um there are situations when there's ledge in the ground and you know we only see six inches of the curb but granite curbs are 18 inches typically deep and it's extremely cost prohibitive to blast to put in granite curb so spear street was one of those situations where when the gas company came through and did their piping they hit a lot of ledge they did a lot of hammering of ledge to get the gas main in we're not going to blast and hammer ledge to put a curb if you know if we can put a burn and it suits the neighborhood great well and

▶ 1:42:27 Manisha Bewtra: i don't remember if i expressed my appreciation for this at the last meeting but as a winthrop parent who always goes on that little section of sixth street i i heard complaints about it on a daily basis so i was thrilled to see the work being done and really excited about the work that will be done over the next uh couple months before school starts so thank you for that those

▶ 1:42:52 Monica C. Medeiros: are all my questions thank you alderman medeiros thank you thank you very much um sticking on the sidewalks and what I wanted to ask is a little bit about green space and the green patches on this the you know what are the benefits and what are you know are we trying to add those where they don't exist and or or not and you know maybe in terms of Main Street how does that work versus

▶ 1:43:19 Speaker 3: well we're a neighborhood as we always try to add up because it's curb appeal it's nice to drive down that road see that green grass strip it's a great spot it's a great place to plant the tree the more commercial collector roads we may not go that route and sometimes the width of the sidewalk doesn't allow us to go that route but for the most part an 18 to 24 inch grass strip is what we like to put in and again it softens the look of of that sidewalk it gives us an opportunity to plant grass and they're usually well received and imagine it improves drainage

▶ 1:43:54 Monica C. Medeiros: significantly even though it's just a little bit of space i was happy to see the north and south high street i think had a little little strip yeah but enough to make it look neighborhood

▶ 1:44:10 Monica C. Medeiros: like um and in terms of uh if trees if they have to come down in this process i think we talked a

▶ 1:44:19 Speaker 5: little bit about this the other night are we are we planting new trees or if they have to come down

▶ 1:44:21 Speaker 3: they do we do plant new trees and we plant more than we take down sometimes we'll just plant even if we don't take down and we always try to work around the tree if it's healthy if if it's not they come down if construction is going to damage it and we really can't make it work we'll take it down we always post it to see how the neighborhood feels about it in case that somebody missed the meeting or didn't know what we were doing so that's what we do with the trees and

▶ 1:44:50 Monica C. Medeiros: on those roads and is that included like the replacement cost would that be included out of this bonding rather than a separate tree no it's all in the project costs um i was hoping uh miss

▶ 1:45:05 Monica C. Medeiros: paracas ellis if you could kind of go back over the cost savings again um on the cost benefit yes

▶ 1:45:16 Monica C. Medeiros: analysis and so if it was full cost so we're we're planning to this is the million 81 i want to say

▶ 1:45:25 Speaker 9: it is uh the cost benefit analysis was based on the immediate most recent project just the lining

▶ 1:45:30 Monica C. Medeiros: project just the lining project so not what's actually uh in front of us tonight but what has already passed okay so that project the full cost that project was the one million five hundred fifty one thousand that we've already approved and spent and so you're saying that if if we paid the entire cost ourselves it would have

▶ 1:45:56 Monica C. Medeiros: taken somewhere between nine and fourteen years to pay back what's the the length of the loan on that ten years ten years and but in fact we got a grant of 75 and we only borrowed 25 at no cost and it it's going to take us only at the max it looks

▶ 1:46:20 Monica C. Medeiros: like 3.4 years to to pay that back so you know i just want to say that you know don't always love to spend money but i think this is money well spent i'm going to support these orders i think it's you know so important that we get a handle on the water that's you know

▶ 1:46:38 Monica C. Medeiros: basically just going down the drain for our real drain I think you know it's very encouraging to see the difference between the nighttime flows in in terms of the storm drains I mean you are if you do find somebody that has a stunt an illegal connection we are alerting them that they have it yes well so far we

▶ 1:47:00 Speaker 9: only have been able to narrow down to we know what pipe segment it's coming into but we don't know specifically which house it's coming from they just they can tell by seeing flow that's

▶ 1:47:13 Speaker 9: cycling keeps coming on and they can sometimes even hear sort of the sound of the discharge

▶ 1:47:23 Monica C. Medeiros: i do believe we have in some clean water legislation that we passed many many years ago

▶ 1:47:37 Monica C. Medeiros: go on this board I do believe it's there and I do hope that you know at least when we are able to narrow it down that at least we are alerting the homeowner as soon as possible and kind of take the rest from there is there a way and I guess if we were to move forward on that in the future it would be great to to know what the cost is for an illegal sump pump connection like what it what is what are we losing or the rape you know the city and the ratepayers by having that connection does that are we able to put that into a dollars to say that you know if we were to offer some kind of program to help homeowners fix

▶ 1:48:25 Monica C. Medeiros: it that would be saving money you know I don't I don't know if that is the case

▶ 1:48:33 Speaker 9: or not yeah I could certainly do the same analysis you know we're looking at two hundred two to three hundred three thousand gallons per day of removal from our overall program this will be more on the scale of per day or something you

▶ 1:48:45 Speaker 9: know it's gonna be a much smaller scale and so the numbers might be tiny on an individual house basis but it's certainly a number that i can come up with from the spreadsheet i

▶ 1:49:00 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: have thank you and uh yes thank you thank you alderman mcmaster thank you madam chair thank

▶ 1:49:03 Shawn M. MacMaster: you both for a very substantive presentation for the partially funded projects that are part of the complete grants program you talked about various types of design assistance work traffic calming measures sidewalks are these needs that weren't anticipated at the time that the projects began did they come up based on your conversations with with residents no good design did design costs

▶ 1:49:34 Speaker 3: and and it's some additional costs i anticipate it's not a lot of funding we're putting in to to that to cover that to cover those three projects but it also gives us the capability either expand those project or even to address some other little complete street needs um i think the almond mentioned before about sixth street it's not a three billion dollar project it was a little need we were able to do it with the budget middle and it makes a huge impact a lot of people you know i think we've set aside 60 000 to add to our complete streets i think we're getting about 350 000 so it's a small percentage of what we're getting for construction and it it gives us a little flexibility to make things happen but more importantly to design and the majority of that will probably go to howard street so that we can listen to that neighborhood hear what they want hear what their needs are and come up with with a design that

▶ 1:50:32 Speaker 9: that suits the needs in the case of complete streets design funding doesn't qualify for the grant so that's why that's separate and then on the other streets um for instance on altamont ave and warwick and perkins where we're talking about sidewalks and traffic coming those weren't included in the initial allocation because we allocated um those are streets where we did the water project and we have a water bond that's paying for the paving of those streets but we can't pay for sidewalks with the water bond we can't pay for traffic signals with the water bond so that's why these are separate costs so they were always anticipated but they just weren't

▶ 1:51:14 Shawn M. MacMaster: able to be included in the other funding requests so the design assistance work is 60 000 is really

▶ 1:51:18 Speaker 9: just a fraction of the bond yeah that the um on the complete streets the uh total grant is 377 000.

▶ 1:51:25 Speaker 3: and that's one year we hope to apply again and this is a two-year bond so that's the our thinking

▶ 1:51:31 Shawn M. MacMaster: as well very good um with respect to the national grid gas work um that will be done on ashmont street in ashmont park can you just talk a little bit about that so uh that's a street that has an

▶ 1:51:47 Speaker 9: old cast iron gas main every time every year we meet with national grid and we're in constant communication with them throughout the year but each year we try to meet with them one holistic meeting with their engineering group and their construction group where we go through what streets we want to do water main work on and then they review those streets for whether or not they need gas work and then similarly they give us a list of streets where they have the highest priority for gas work and we look at our records and see if we need to do water work or if we need to pave um and that's how we established the complete list of streets that national grid's going to work on in the city each year and ashmont street national park were a street that we actually identified because of the roadway ranking that that was an area that was in dire need of paving so we suggested to national grid that they look at their records they came back and said yes we do need to do gas work we also looked at our capital efficiency plan for water and that also said yes we need to do water work so we said this is a good street then to do all

▶ 1:52:47 Shawn M. MacMaster: three right in a row so it's a strategic collaborative effort to get two projects

▶ 1:52:53 Speaker 3: done that need to be done uh ashmont's i think gonna get three right sewer two open cut oh yes

▶ 1:53:00 Speaker 3: there was one open cut section of sewer yeah there's a nice diet for ashmore street all three

▶ 1:53:07 Shawn M. MacMaster: utilities um and my final question is uh for the 50 percent moving on to sewer the 50 percent uh being inflow and infiltration how is it determined by the mwra what is ini and what is actually wastewater how how do they figure that out so the mwra has an extensive um what

▶ 1:53:21 Speaker 9: they call skeda system which is supervisory data acquisition supervisory control and data

▶ 1:53:31 Speaker 9: acquisition system which is a computerized system that all of their flow meters tie into from all the different cities and towns so the flow metering that we did with those 30 flow meters that we put out in 2016 that was us putting these temporary meters in the ground with a consultant and they were gathering that data the MWRA being the size that it is they have meters that take readings every 30 seconds in all of these locations and they've sent us before we can get the data for everything leaving the city in 15 minute increments they've sent us spreadsheets with that when we've needed it so that data collection is constant on the mwra's part and so they know what's coming into melrose from the towns where our transmission mains come in or

▶ 1:54:21 Speaker 9: our collection interceptors come in they know how much is leaving Melrose and they look at the differential on a practically second by second basis they can subtract the data out from one to the other and then they do exactly the same analysis that we just did with our flow metering data to rank all of our systems they just do it on a bigger scale they rank all the towns all the cities and towns that tie in and they're able to come up with estimates they They look at, they correlate it with rainfall data to figure out which percentage they think is inflow. They correlate it with nighttime, you know, nighttime groundwater flows to say which percentage they think is infiltration. And then they look at our population and do a per capita estimate for how much they think is reasonably domestic wastewater flow.

▶ 1:55:10 Speaker 10: Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam Chair.

▶ 1:55:12 Speaker 8: Thank you.

▶ 1:55:14 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: Alderman Lipper-Garabedian for the first time.

▶ 1:55:15 Kate Lipper-Garabedian: Following up, thank you. thank you both for being here and for all this information and following up on alderman mcmaster's question um do you have a sense of what uh other towns and cities uh rates are for infiltration

▶ 1:55:32 Speaker 9: and flow if we're 50 to 60 which is pretty high how does that compare to others in the system

▶ 1:55:42 Speaker 9: we are in the so on a percentage basis there are quite a few communities who are in our same ballpark

▶ 1:55:52 Speaker 9: They also do a calculation where they take the total infiltration inflow and they divide it by the size of your system and When you look at it that way we tend to to get closer to the top. I think in 2016 Which is the most recent data they have? I think we were second in Infiltration and we were eighth in inflow For the size of our system. I think looking at just volume we were

▶ 1:56:19 Speaker 9: 15 to 20 range out of the 43 communities and then just a couple questions about

▶ 1:56:24 Kate Lipper-Garabedian: the road work that we're doing which is really great I appreciate it in this presentation that we have a map of the places where the infiltration and inflow work is going on is there a similar map somewhere where we you've got the table that shows all the different streets and so we can timeline we might be helpful

▶ 1:56:46 Speaker 3: yeah we can create that we can distribute it and post it people might

▶ 1:56:50 Kate Lipper-Garabedian: just like to see you know the spread and the breadth of the work going on visually in that way I would I know you mentioned also there's a sidewalk mapping that's been done and that's I'm presuming that's online somewhere and I think I've seen it here and I'm packet before I know reviews it before and

▶ 1:57:06 Speaker 3: again if that's something that's not online something we can add to the

▶ 1:57:12 Kate Lipper-Garabedian: website too okay that would be great just all of this information that you've got here or that you you're willing to think about putting together maybe at some point there could even be a way that the public could there be sort of like a database where you could type in your street and it would ping back to you any work that is anticipated by your department at some point in time because certainly you know walking around the city people talk a lot about their concerns with their sidewalks or their roads and such and having a sense of it being on your radar is I think it definitely is and so then having that sense of confidence would be great it's a great comment and it's something that

▶ 1:57:56 Speaker 3: the engineering office has really worked on through the GIS I think today they were all collecting data on street signs today we're all collecting data on street signs and again the thing is to create the map and to make the map interactive whether you click on a sign that tells you what it is or you click on a road and I think our new our new roads even tell you who construct who reconstructed them the contractors that worked on it so that's something we're not there yet but it is something we're collecting data on so that we can get

▶ 1:58:29 Kate Lipper-Garabedian: there someday it's just there's clearly a lot of intentionality and thoughtfulness going into all of the work and it's you've got it sort of planned out into the future in a really deliberative way so for the public to be able to find kind of access that in one place will be really helpful I think and then just one thing that I know we've talked about offline or online rather is the McCarthy apartments so they are presumably part of the Complete Streets section of Main Street that's being identified for the spike path and perhaps part of that additional design and tinkering money that you're asking for can address the crosswalk that's there so that's a senior sort of living environment a number of folks who I've met with are and wheelchairs and the crosswalk actually ends us on one side with a ledge to get up so I'm hopeful that we can address that as part of these overall these overall projects

▶ 1:59:30 Speaker 3: we it's also been flagged in the Melrose high school middle school pedestrian improvements because we get a lot of kids that come out of board to and like to cross there and through the parking lot so that's definitely gonna be addressed one with one project or the other kind of in the middle of through

▶ 1:59:49 Kate Lipper-Garabedian: all three it's great it'll get done I'm really glad to hear that thank you and

▶ 1:59:57 Michael P. Zwirko: thank you both again for being here thank you yes it's really just a point board or a question if before we make a vote on the disposition of these orders are we gonna have to break out the one that is pertains to the streets would we keep the two for the water and sewer together and then break out the one for

▶ 2:00:11 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: the street reminder that we also do have attachments that we would need to accept

▶ 2:00:20 Speaker 11: by amendment if we were to move if we were to okay that was my question

▶ 2:00:23 Peter D. Mortimer: motion I recommend the conjoined orders for passage we have a motion to

▶ 2:00:28 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: recommend for passage all three orders without the addition of the amendment without the what the addition without the acceptance of the amending by accepting the additional attachments that were added to it with the before I

▶ 2:00:40 Peter D. Mortimer: make that motion that I'm glad it wasn't seconded I make a motion to amend the order to include the additional attachments that were dispersed today

▶ 2:00:50 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: We have a motion to amend the three orders 2018-187, 2018-188, and 2018-189 to accept the Melrose Loan Order documents that were added today, seconded by Alderman Boycelle on discussion. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

▶ 2:01:06 Peter D. Mortimer: Motion to recommend for passage the three conjoined orders as amended. Second.

▶ 2:01:11 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: The motion to recommend for passage the three orders as amended, made by Alderman Mortimer, seconded by Alderman Boycelle on discussion. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? This will be recommended for passage, thank you. Alderman Mortimer.

▶ 2:01:25 Peter D. Mortimer: Point of personal privilege, Madam Chair. If I'm incorrect on this, please do correct me, obviously. I think the last order we have for Chief Lyle is the budget on parking. That's true. And I was wondering if I could make a motion to change our order of business, that's all he has if we could conclude this long night for him at least because it seems like everybody else has a a lot of questions before it's a good point

▶ 2:01:54 Jennifer L. Lemmerman: and actually I'm not sure that we even need a motion since it's next up and

▶ 2:02:02 Peter D. Mortimer: we'll make sure to take that department first you're right it's in the bottom of