ORDER-2021-122 : City of Melrose Operating Budget for Fiscal Year 2022 in the amount of $91,000,522.33 (Ninety-One Million, Five Hundred Twenty-Two Dollars and Thirty-Three Cents).

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▶ 3:10 Jeff McNaught: Close public comment if there is no objection seeing no objection public comment is now closed. Knowing that we are speaking with members of the administration this evening. I will move by for unanimous consent if there is no objection to suspend the rules in order to speak to. our friends from the administration. Seeing no objection, the rules are suspended. I'll read the order for this evening. Order 2021-122, the City of Melrose operating budget for fiscal year 2022 in the amount of 91,522 dollars. And 33 cents, and tonight on the agenda, we have. The mayor will discuss his budget community events. The auditor and our IT department, so. I think 1st, we'll go ahead and bring the mayor and is that correct? Madam clerk.

▶ 4:24 Paul Brodeur: Coming in now. Good evening. Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity to come before you today and to. um formally i guess open our our budget deliberations and i uh certainly appreciate the time and attention of the council and i appreciate um the opportunity to go first quite frankly um unfortunately there's no there's not a lot of exciting story to tell about the mayor's budget um i would like to say that if if it's possible to share the screen i'd be happy to bring up the um the interactive budget tool that we talked a little bit about um on monday night i don't know if that is a possibility um oh there it is so hang on one sec

▶ 5:15 Paul Brodeur: so here it is hopefully y'all can see it because i'm not sure what y'all can see um but this this tells the story and again my department my department is pretty simple department. It's mostly salary and wage, and the budget is essentially static. But I do want to point out the benefits of the tool because I think it is a lot easier to use and more comprehensive than going through unit spreadsheets or trying to leaf through paper. And this kind of tells the story. Again, this budget, a lot simpler than, say, DPW is an example where there's much more much more moving parts but as you can see the budget is uh is fairly stable uh i know you all are familiar that we without the services of an executive assistant for approximately um six months we as of as of june 7th we will again be fully staffed uh here in the mayor's office and i think you'll see that reflected in both the um the quality of the interaction with the office and our ability to serve the public um better the um thing that i think was of most interest to the council last year was the um was the community services piece the community outreach piece um and that money is has been doing a lot of terrific things um happy to detail it but to give you a couple of examples when we closed the fells way to through traffic there were permitting fees involved with that to the tune of a little over a little over a thousand dollars we supported um some things for the incoming kindergarten class that we obviously had to change up a little bit because of covid we couldn't have the traditional event uh we are anticipating uh bringing that back and hopefully jazzing it up a little bit because i know you are excited the school department is excited the staff the educators everyone is excited to have kids back in school full time without the restrictions that folks have had to have had to manage um so we're very very excited about that um see what else do we have there certainly um that uh you know those bulk items we are anticipating um supporting more more community events before the end of the fiscal year and one thing that is different from from the history of course is the participatory budgeting piece which we're now referring to as 5k my way and it has been a challenge to be sure to organize and stand this up during covid where the high school community was not always all together in one place. But I'm happy to report that there are three very interesting and exciting proposals that are going to be going before the MHS student body, I think, don't hold me to this, on a rank choice voting system. And so we expect to have that ready to roll certainly before the end of the fiscal year. and one thing I'm very excited to say is the most important piece of feedback that we got from the students that were involved was, are you going to be doing this next year? I really want to be involved in this next year. This is kids from 8th to 11th grade. Obviously, the seniors won't be able to participate, but we're off to a terrific start, and the budget does contemplate repeating that process again. I appreciate your consideration on that. I'm certainly happy to answer any questions you might have.

▶ 9:05 Speaker 2: Thank you mayor broader. We have any questions.

▶ 9:21 Jeff McNaught: From any counselors, if okay, I see counselors do it as his hand up. Can we can we actually pull down the presentation? I'm having a little bit of trouble with my view.

▶ 9:31 Paul Brodeur: Sure, sorry, and let's counsel still wants to ask a question that is specific to the presentation.

▶ 9:38 Robb Stewart: Be happy to do that. Thank you. Uh, Mr chairman. Thank you. Mr man for being here tonight. Appreciate it. Um, I do have a couple of questions. um on on this um we had approved the salary study uh earlier this year um i'm not sure if that's been instituted or um what the what the cadence of that is and that the results are going to be have you factored any of that into this or is that something that will need to be addressed after the study's completed?

▶ 10:10 Paul Brodeur: Well, no, this budget does not contemplate any significant wage adjustments, quite frankly, mostly for that very reason. Because as we said, when we moved for the free cash expenditure to do that, we really need to kind of reset the table and reorient ourselves. I've talked to a lot of other municipal CEOs, and they talk about this kind of an exercise every three to five years. Y'all remember that it's been quite some time since we've done this. The RFP went out on the street, the vendor has been selected in initial meetings amongst the key players. I think Mr. De La Russo, certainly Polly Latta from HR to kick the process off. And I expect it's gonna be a two to three month process. I would ask you not to hold me to that time frame.

▶ 11:06 Robb Stewart: Yeah. All right, thank you, Mr. Mayor. My second question is on the community outreach. I see that you did not hit target the last year. Is that just due to we haven't spent through to the end of the year or is it COVID or are there other reasons? I thought that there would have been good,

▶ 11:25 Speaker 3: ample opportunity despite COVID to spend through that one.

▶ 11:27 Paul Brodeur: Mostly COVID, you know, it's mostly, Yeah, I get mostly community supports and with, um, you know, Victorian fair isn't going to be this fiscal year, but certainly interested in supporting the almost been. There's a lot of pent up demand for community activity, so that we expect to easily be able to spend all this money as an example. We certainly hope to do another Fellsway closing, assuming all the coordination works, meaning user groups wouldn't be affected, and traffic and construction, whatever the case may be. We are talking about, now this would be potentially for the fall, supporting some arts activities, really community arts activities, performance, that kind of thing. As we are, we are very confident we can put this money out on the street to benefit the community.

▶ 12:29 Robb Stewart: Right. Great. Thank you. Um, the next question is the excess on the dues and memberships. Do we need to increase? Does that need to be increased?

▶ 12:37 Paul Brodeur: So, I appreciate you asking that because the short answer is yes. If if I have the. The presentation up again, you would see that we overspent by. A couple of 1000 dollars, I want to say, no, we have resources. To to cover that, it's not a huge amount of money. Um, finalize it. We neglected to. Back to the end, we are, we are going to try to look at protected, particularly with. Our dues to see whether or not that, given the nature of some of their activities. Whether or not any of that is our COVID or. Or, and, you know, we can, we put a piece of that in there, but I do expect as we see today, because did go up. I'm not sure if I mean, if you see went up. That likely that is underfunded right now to the tune of probably the same as the same as last year's experience. So 2,000 dollars.

▶ 13:36 Robb Stewart: All right, so it's planned for the. Okay, good. The last question I have is the seminar spend was very low. I assume that is. Totally do totally.

▶ 13:47 Paul Brodeur: Exactly right. I mean, there, there is, um, there are really some tremendous programs out there. Around things like municipal finance and. 1 thing that I really want to have a serious discussion about. Kind of post cobit is more opportunities for professional development. For the staff, honestly, I don't think we do a, a terrific job with that right now. We have seen when people are given the opportunity. Yeah, I'll use Chris Wilcox as an example who, you know, he's the assessor. But has, and this is mostly on his own, not city funded, but the things that he has. You know, been able to bring to the table outside his job description. Real value add, you know, I'm happy to report that we are sending. Catherine armada, the city treasurer. To some municipal finance training that is available through. Suffolk University, but I think more would serve us well.

▶ 14:49 Robb Stewart: Yeah, I would agree with you, Mr. Mayor. It's interesting, I had a leadership meeting today with my own company, and that was a big topic of our conversation is how education, learning, and training is an integral part of the success of an organization at all levels. And I would encourage you to at least consider Spending to the amount or beyond that just, I think it makes a organization more robust. That's all I had. Thank you. Mr mayor. And thank you. Mr.

▶ 15:20 Speaker 2: Thank you. I'll just do it any questions for many of the counselors from the mayor.

▶ 15:36 Shawn M. MacMaster: Online 121, if there are no further questions, Mr chairman, I'd make a motion at this time to move the bottom line of department 121 mayor's office.

▶ 15:51 Jeff McNaught: 2nd, so, um. We have a motion to move the bottom line of 121. Made by council McMaster and seconded by council. Before we vote on that counselor, Thomas did have his handle, but I'd just like to go to him quickly. So on discussion.

▶ 16:08 Cory Thomas: Thank you. Mr. chairman welcome. Mr. mayor. I just had a quick question about the increase in spending for the mayor's office. Do you have the same number of? In 2022, as you have in 2021.

▶ 16:24 Cory Thomas: Yes, yes, we do. Are those contractual increases?

▶ 16:28 Paul Brodeur: Well, no, because with the, um, with the. Um, new, um, director of strategic initiatives. Coming on coming on at, um, a bit of a higher salary than the predecessor. That explains most of the Delta, but if you look at the, I'm happy to report if you look at the 5 year history that's available through the tool. You will see that that is that it is within the range. Certainly the last 5 years is not. The highest of the of the 5 years.

▶ 17:07 Jeff McNaught: All right, I appreciate it. Thank you. Of course. Thank you. Councilor Thomas.

▶ 17:13 Speaker 2: Uh, any any further discussion seeing none Madam clerk, would you please call the role.

▶ 17:20 Speaker 1: Chair not yes. Yes. Vice chair Eccles. Yes, yes, counselor. McMaster yes. Yes. Counselor yes. Consulate really? Yes. Counselor Stewart yes. Yeah. Counselor Thomas.

▶ 17:45 Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Cinella? Yes. Nine yes.

▶ 17:52 Jeff McNaught: I'd like to recognize Councilor McMaster for a moment. He has an update for us on one of our fellow Councilors.

▶ 18:02 Shawn M. MacMaster: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just a point of personal privilege. Councilor Chairman Tozzi is having difficult logging on. He's a passenger in a vehicle traveling to New York for his daughter's graduation. So, he's attempting to get on. He's not sure if he will be able to, but I just wanted to put that on the record and let the public know why he's not presently on at his request.

▶ 18:28 Speaker 2: Thank you. Counselor McMaster moving on to community events.

▶ 18:35 Jeff McNaught: That is line 692 and I believe Mr. mayor you're presenting on that as well. I believe I've covered it in my prior remarks and I believe so as well. Happy to add anything that might need to be added. Any further questions from Councils or what is the will of the committee?

▶ 18:56 Speaker 1: Motion to move the bottom line?

▶ 19:01 Jeff McNaught: We have a motion to move the bottom line of line 692 by Councilor Garipay, seconded by Vice Chair Eccles. Again, before we vote on discussion, McMaster, I saw your hand up.

▶ 19:15 Shawn M. MacMaster: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just to clarify for the public, could you just describe the difference between the community outreach line item and community events in terms of how they're different?

▶ 19:30 Speaker 2: That's essentially the same thing. There's not a heck of a lot of difference.

▶ 19:33 Shawn M. MacMaster: Is it fair to say that the community events would be some of the larger scale events that we do annually across the city so more community-wide as opposed to events that come up over the course of the year that may be driven by your office that's correct that's correct support of

▶ 19:55 Speaker 2: long-standing things thank you thank you for the discussions seeing none madam court will

▶ 20:00 Speaker 1: you please call the role chair mcnaught yes vice chair eccles yes yes councillor mcmaster Yes. Councillor Garipay? Yes. Councillor Migliorelli? Yes. Councillor Stewart?

▶ 20:15 Speaker 3: Yes.

▶ 20:16 Speaker 1: Councillor Thomas? Yes. Councillor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Sinella? Yes. Nine yes.

▶ 20:25 Paul Brodeur: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate it. All the members, I appreciate the time. I do want to pass along certainly, unfortunately, hopefully you can hear it, my congratulations to to Councilor Tramontozzi on Maria's graduation. It's certainly not the last we've heard from her. Like the rest of the family, she's an incredible talent and hopefully, she'll remember from when she came and we can get her back a couple of times to do some performance with some of the money we've been talking about standing.

▶ 20:57 Jeff McNaught: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Appreciate you being with us and I'll just note that the motion passes. and we are moving on to Department 135 with the City Auditor. We bring in Mr. DellaRusso.

▶ 21:16 Speaker 1: Coming in now.

▶ 21:27 Speaker 3: Hello. Good evening. Get my video going so you can see you guys. Perfect.

▶ 21:38 Speaker 2: Can you hear me? We can and we can see you too.

▶ 21:41 Speaker 3: Great. Awesome. Thank you very much. Great to be here tonight. It really is, I'm very appreciative to have a chance to talk a little bit about where the department's gone this past year, which has been unbelievable and where we're hoping to go in the next year. I think everyone on the council would be happy to hear the direction we're taking. First and foremost, through the chair, this has been an extremely challenging year. We have, through the department, been able to work with the Ever-Change in CARES Act, which is about 2.5 million dollars for the City. We've been able to develop a 91 million dollar budget for enterprise funds. We've been able to develop In conjunction with the mayor and assessor and interactive budget pack, we've never had before in the history of the city. We are also, and this is 1 of those things behind the curtain working with the open finance module from units, which you're going to see shortly. And that is quite an incredible package. It's going to allow a lot of depth into transparency and to transactions and to departments. That I think you'll find extremely interesting, but we are. Also continue with the audit each and every year. We've had tremendous success. My department, we also, I want to give them a shout out because we, we never stopped working. We never stopped the intensity, no matter what the pandemic brought. And I give a lot of credit to the leadership of the mayor by following his example. We kept going at it, going at it and going at it. And it wasn't always easy, but we did it and I could not be more pleased. I'm going on my 29th year as municipal CFO, all but seven here in Melrose, and I couldn't be more honored. It's been an incredible year, and I want to thank the City Council, because you provided the resources that allowed us to do that. Open Finance, you allowed us to do that. You allowed us to work with the CARES Act. I know you gave me the chance to come to the Council to talk about where some of that expenditure was going. We appreciated that. I can assure the Council now that's an ongoing process. The COVID-19 Task Force, which we established, is still in complete and intact order. We are now working with the American Recovery Plan Act, close to $8.2 million to the City of Melrose. It's an enormous undertaking, enormous. I want to stress that because the technical components of that package, in my opinion, far outweigh the CARES Act. So there's a lot to be done over the next 2 years. As a matter of fact, that's how much time we'll have. But it's something that we have embraced as a community and I really believe that we'll be extremely successful as well in managing the revenue coming into the City. But having said that, overall, within my department's budget, Salary and waiters reflect the union and non-union amounts for each person. There's four people in my department, including myself. The auditing services have increased by $2,500. That will continue for the next two years. That's a three-year fixed rate on the audit as we close out the audit with Powers and Sullivan. And if I take a look at dues and memberships, there's been no change at all from what was requested in 21 for $200. And education and seminars, that's the biggest change, candidly, to the budget. You'll see it at a number of $3,000. I don't think we've ever had the number that high in the history that I can recall. But, um, that is, um, principally for, uh, professional development to carry and golden the assistant city auditor. We, she just got noticed, um, right here this past. Um, month that she was, uh, accepted to the. Suffix certificate and local government leadership and management. Program extremely extensive. I could not be happier. I think it's going to provide the opportunity for. From my department, particularly for carriers that an outstanding job. To continue to grow in the knowledge of best practices. And bring them back to Melrose and I find that's the biggest benefit. That a lot of these certificate programs have, you come back with a slew of knowledge and information that. Essentially, you would not have really received in that fashion. Um, if you don't attend, so they make a big difference and I'm, I'm anxious that, uh, your approval. That she can take that course and, um, I really think it'll be great for her and as well as for my department, the cross training period. So, I'm excited about that. I'm excited about this whole year coming up and I look forward to it. There's any questions from the city council. I, I hope I can answer them tonight. If not, I promise you, I'll get you an answer.

▶ 27:35 Jeff McNaught: Thank you. Thank you. Mr. on behalf of the entire council. I just want to say, thank you for your remarks and. Thank you for the incredibly hard work your team has done all year and all the time. We, we certainly appreciate it.

▶ 27:48 Speaker 3: Thank you, Mr. chairman, I'm going to speak to them when I tomorrow and I'll let them know. And that means a great deal a great deal knowing that you're the city council supporting us. It goes a long, long way. Thank you.

▶ 28:02 Jeff McNaught: Thank you likewise and. And in that vein to do any counselors have.

▶ 28:14 Jeff McNaught: Any questions for Mr. seeing none what is the will of the committee.

▶ 28:19 Mark Garipay: make a motion to move the bottom line sorry councillor McMaster has a second

▶ 28:27 Jeff McNaught: thought that's a motion to move the bottom line of department 135 made by councillor Garipay seconded by councillor McMaster on discussion seeing none madam clerk we please call the roll chair mcnaught yes vice chair

▶ 28:55 Speaker 1: Eccles? Yes. Councilor McMaster? Yes. Councilor Garipay? Yes. Councilor Migliorelli? Yes. Councilor Stewart? Yes. Councilor Thomas? Yes. Councilor Jamaleddine? Yes. President Cinella? Yes. Agnes? Thank you very much for your support and

▶ 29:13 Speaker 3: in consideration tonight. Thank you very much.

▶ 29:17 Jeff McNaught: Thank you, Mr. Zellweger. That motion passes and I believe it suffices to say that your remarks also address the trouble with my screen tonight. I believe it's line 942. Excellently, OPEB and- Yes. Okay. What is the will of the committee on Department or line item 942?

▶ 29:49 Speaker 2: Councilor Stewart?

▶ 29:52 Robb Stewart: Yeah. Point of clarification, Mr. Chair, is that the stabilization funds line item?

▶ 29:58 Speaker 2: It is, Councilor Stewart.

▶ 30:01 Speaker 3: I will make a motion to move line item 942 to the bottom line.

▶ 30:08 Jeff McNaught: Second. We have a motion to move the bottom line of 942 made by Councilor Stewart, seconded by President Cinella. On discussion, seeing none, Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll?

▶ 30:25 Speaker 1: Chair McNaught? Yes. Vice Chair Eccles?

▶ 30:33 Speaker 1: Councillor McMaster? Yes. Councillor Garipay? Yes. Councillor Migliorelli? Yes. Councillor Stewart? Yes.

▶ 30:44 Speaker 1: Councillor Thomas? Yes. Councillor Jamaleddine? yes president tanella yes nine yes thank you very much very much thank you thank you mr de la de la

▶ 31:01 Jeff McNaught: russo have a nice evening you too now sir thank you and next up we have i.t with director neil

▶ 31:15 Speaker 1: ellis director ellis can you hear us yes can you hear me yes we can hear you thank you for being

▶ 31:27 Speaker 4: in here director ellis sure um i just wanted to uh i have a presentation lined up i'm just going to share oh my share button is gray i appreciate your time tonight um i uh

▶ 31:42 Speaker 4: i really appreciate uh everyone taking the time to kind of to see look at my budget and to look at my presentation um i'm gonna try to get through it pretty quick um there are some highlights i'd I'd like to make from the past year, things that you had voted on last year or approved money for projects, so.

▶ 32:10 Jeff McNaught: Mr. Ellis, and I would just make note. First, I want to say thank you for providing all of that information to us and note that the council has had a chance to look at it. So I appreciate you reviewing it and in the manner in which you wish to, but know that the other counselors will have questions as they've had time to review it. Okay. When you're ready, we're ready.

▶ 32:41 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, can you see my shared screen?

▶ 32:44 Speaker 2: Not yet, no.

▶ 32:53 Speaker 4: Okay, see that now? No. All right, let me try that again.

▶ 33:03 Speaker 2: There we go.

▶ 33:08 Speaker 4: There we go, okay.

▶ 33:15 Speaker 4: sharing okay okay here we go people bring up my notes here so so I'm just

▶ 33:28 Speaker 4: gonna go over some quick things I'll try to speed through this responsibilities I'm not going to go into this you have all that stuff basically we do everything from Chromebooks to to fiber optic cables on telephone lines and computers and budgeting so that's that's that's all our responsibilities anything that plugs into the wall so here I'm gonna get into our projects that we completed this year first I'm just gonna review some of the COVID-19 related projects we work with the mayor to allocate a million dollars of CARES Act funding to the schools I we had a meeting with the mayor I said I'm gonna need like about a million dollars to get enough equipment and services so that we can go remote this year and he said go for it you have the money so it was it was great to have that support we work with Dell we talked them down about I talked them down about $400,000 on the equipment that we got we repaired and upgraded laptops we got everybody in the city to be able to work remotely some things we purchased 3530 Chromebooks in total it was a mix of money where that came from. We deployed 866 Chromebooks to students during a pandemic so they could work from home. We also purchased 430 laptops for teachers and then deployed them to every teacher within four weeks. We got them in-house and we configured them all and distributed them to the teachers within four weeks. Just a pretty massive undertaking. Again, we built out a new firewall because we know we were doing remote learning we also purchased additional internet connections so that we would have again enough capacity to do everything that the schools needed to do uh we helped with Melrose helps the vaccination mobile hotspots for kids um and we I wrote a grant that we um received that was for 156 840 and we used that to buy the hotspots and additional chromebooks that we used we ended up really needing to use in the very beginning of the year so that was that was that was good um the one thing i just wanted to follow up about the citywide telephone system you probably saw my email so we'll go into that the lincoln elementary telephone system we also finished that that was uh we did that all in-house so um very short money so that's that's finished up um employee self-service we've been working on this with donna cardillo this is a munis application this allows everyone to everyone in the city to immediately get their W-2s, accruals, check other, any HR-related stuff in there. We're going to expand that further, but it also cuts off our need to send everyone check advices so that pay stubs are going away. Some employees will still need them, but those are going away. I'll be in a portal. The Winthrop projectors, I know we had spoken about this at a meeting last year the money that was allocated was 84 000 uh i don't remember exactly the amount but it was uh eighty four thousand one hundred and forty dollars that was one hundred and four dollars for the winter projectors those were all replaced last summer uh we placed all those projectors and we added three additional classrooms when we did that

▶ 36:58 Speaker 4: um we did a whole new antivirus across the district in the city we also put additional malware protection on the servers which is a really high-end next generation malware protection again cyber security we're doing uh we've got a grant wasn't really a grant grant they didn't give us money they they added us to a program that they had purchased from the state um otherwise we'd had to come to the city the appropriations committee to have it accepted but uh we did we're doing in the middle of phishing campaigns don't tell anybody uh we did an awareness assessment in four training courses which are really really really they were really good very targeted um we also obtained another uh again the same type of grant thing for a cybersecurity health check those um oh i jumped out of my let's see where were they okay

▶ 37:58 Speaker 4: so uh again we we we built out the franklin this year for wireless kids in first grade needed to film in there and we needed to have the wireless so that was not originally built up for wireless we had minimum wireless in the building um that was done mid-year that was that was that was tough to do security upgrades um we replaced um all the cameras police station door access at the mvmfs to have them be part of the whole city system city and school system so they're now upgraded uh the lincoln elementary we placed the cameras that were there um we put in you saw that my you probably saw my email about the new phone system outside of the police station so um salaries uh usually i just put this out there are changes sometimes year to year but basically my position is 60 percent of the city four percent of the school i have four staff fully paid from the school budget three staff paid from the city budget um significant changes the telephone line

▶ 38:58 Speaker 4: That is going from 70 to 116. I just listed out. What it was over the 4 years, which is a 20% decrease over 4 years. Anyhow. We had intended to totally finish out the phone system and then we ran into the pandemic. And we just didn't have enough people to keep the project going. And we just jumped in the pandemic mode, so we were not able to realize that the savings from. Eliminating phone lines that we had expected before when we had planned out the fiscal year for 21. so we're bringing that back up to 116 so we can. Pay for the phone lines while we're terminating them this following year. So, that also. That also includes increases and we're constantly increasing our. 4G connections for. Tablets and mobile units. So, those have been increasing. We also have a new position in it for 22.

▶ 40:07 Speaker 4: I'm just going to go into a couple of things that we're working on for this next year. Open finances as Mr. mentioned the open finance is going to be a web interactive. Visual representation of the budget so that it's updated. I don't think we're going to update it daily. I think we're going to do it weekly so that we can correct anything that might be a problem, but it'll be on the website. And it itself updates from units. So anyone will be able to go in drill down into department, see what the spending is like. See what we're what's going on so it's very transparent because it's up to the. Up to the minute up to the day or 2. Maybe 7 projectors, we're going to replace some projectors at least in 1 school building. This summer again, telephone systems, we got to replace a few of them. We're going to add on. The libraries, and we're constantly thinking about the new BB school. That's going to be quite a thing in this in the pandemic. We went with purchasing those 3530 Chromebooks. We're able to adding added to a compliment of newer Chromebooks. We already had in the district. this will be able to have one Chromebook for every student. This worked out really well because we were able to replace a cache of our existing Chromebooks that we were going to need to pay to replace anyways. We did that through CARES Act and other funding. And we planned for our six through twelve uh actual issuing of a chromebook to uh students in um in the middle of high school for next year so um that's going to be a big big undertaking uh we'll be be issuing

▶ 42:01 Speaker 4: those at the end of the summer and we have the bb school project here a bunch of the systems that we're going to need to do in that system that school the school is like you untouched from 20 years ago in terms of tech so we're gonna and including the wiring cabling has to be all done redone the entire building so we have quite a few number of systems to redo in that in that building when you take it on um that's pretty much it uh are there questions i think you're muted

▶ 42:38 Jeff McNaught: sorry about that mr ellis um if we if you wouldn't mind just pulling down your presentation just so so I can see everybody on the screen. I know I saw Councilor Thomas hand up, but I just wanna be able to see, is there anyone else? I see Councilor Stewart, Councilor Garipay.

▶ 42:58 Speaker 2: So I guess first we'll go with Councilor Thomas.

▶ 43:02 Cory Thomas: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Ellis, welcome. Thank you for being here and thank you for your presentation. I wanted to thank you too for all your hard work over the past year plus. The IT department has done a great job. It's so far reaching across city government and has his hands in our public safety buildings, our schools. So, kudos to you and your staff. You've done a great job. I really appreciate that. I really absolutely. Thank you. Thank you for saying that above and beyond this year.

▶ 43:28 Cory Thomas: And again, kudos to you and your staff. Um, for the people that are watching at home, uh, you know, we've gotten great communication from you over the year. Um, you know, most recently, the police upgrades for the phone down on on the street level. But can you talk a little bit more about the changes to the telephone budget? You know, the line item 5, 2, 2, 0, 0, 0, there is a 66% increase in an increase of, you know, 46,000 dollars. What what exact changes have been made to the phones and why the increase for the 2020 fiscal budget?

▶ 44:05 Speaker 4: So, so we have. Completed the well, we're at the very ending phases end of this phase to to. Do away with the old phone system. The old phone system was. Close to close to 30 years old. It didn't have any of the newer function. It was failing quite often. So, that system, we could basically shut off right now and we. We, we could do away with it. We, the way that was set up so without getting into the weeds too much, but we, the way that we designed it. We, we had to go outside of Verizon to find a service to do this, but basically we, we got a digital connection. To our phone system and got rid of all the copper. And the thing is, we haven't removed all that copper yet. We moved over a bunch of the phone lines that were part of the major city thing. The major city system, but we haven't had the time now to terminate everything else. That exists in the city, and that includes these things that are like, point to point ring down. Phones from fire stations and. There's a lot of a lot of copper in the city that is going to take a long time to get through it. All we had expected to be at that point. You know, when the pandemic struck. That was what we were planning to get the phone system done before last summer. And go through for for, like, 3 months of the summer and terminate all those lines. Once we get the whole phone system and we just could not. We had to go into pandemic mode and we never got back. So. This additional money will cover the phones. Into the year while we're terminating them, getting them, getting them. Out of the system and any new phone lines into the new system.

▶ 46:05 Cory Thomas: So, so, Mr Ellis, would you would you say that this is a kind of a 1 year anomaly in this budget this much of an increase and revert back to more of a stabilized budget number in 2023 moving forward? Yeah, absolutely.

▶ 46:18 Speaker 4: Absolutely yeah, it has been in the year past years. It's been slowly decreasing. I've been. Hacking away at it, trying to get those get those, those, those prices down from. I mean, the year before I was here, it was up at 184,000. I think that's what it was. Um, so we're, we're trying to trying to bring those costs down.

▶ 46:39 Cory Thomas: Sure, thank you. And I just have 1 more question. Um. You know, the governor Baker, you know, is announced different changes to our, you know, our. Restrictions for coven while we are still on. Web based meetings, where do we stand with our Webex account? Do we have a full subscription? Is that for the calendar year or the fiscal year?

▶ 47:03 Speaker 4: Where do we stand with that that that subscription ends in June? And you do, I think you all received my. My write up of the different the top 3. Um, software packages and in the. The numbers for the cost of those. So, I mean, if the will of the committee is to go in another direction. The council, sorry. Of another application, we can do that. We found, I mean, the closest 1, the 1 that I picked was probably out of, I think 1, I think I had zoom video webinar at 84 points. I believe I had. WebEx at 79 WebEx since had upgrades to their system, which would bring it a little closer. The difference in price was. Zoom video webinar probably was 55,000, roughly, as I remember, and WebEx was under 20. And actually, if we go to 0365 and we use Teams, then we would eliminate the 40 licenses for WebEx that we use in-house for directors and managers to use with their teams. So that price for WebEx would come down to around $10,000.

▶ 48:26 Cory Thomas: The cost for us, thanks so much. Thanks for being prepared as always and for being here tonight. Thank you. Best to you and your family.

▶ 48:36 Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. Councilor Thomas. Councilor Stewart.

▶ 48:40 Robb Stewart: Thank you. Mr. chair and thank you. Mr. Ellis for being here tonight. Good to see. Um, so my question is going to be mostly around the salary and wages. Um, 1st, I would like to understand. You mentioned that four, so you split between city and school, four staff are in school, three are in city, and you have a 60-40 split between school and city. Is the number 383-656 representative of that entire amount, or is it just on the city side?

▶ 49:13 Speaker 4: That number should be looking at that as just a city figure.

▶ 49:21 Robb Stewart: So, that includes 3 people on staff plus a portion of your salary portion of my, the 3 includes me. So that's.

▶ 49:28 Speaker 4: It should be well, it's also done a car partially paid out of my out of my line and there's that's 2 people my part of my salary and an additional person is put in there for next year.

▶ 49:47 Robb Stewart: Okay, but it is just city side.

▶ 49:50 Speaker 4: It should be, although that number seems seems.

▶ 49:57 Speaker 4: Hi, yeah, yeah, I'm not looking at that number right now. So that's not the number that I have.

▶ 50:05 Speaker 4: For for that. I'm just going to get back to you. I'd have to get back to you on exactly what that breakdown is because that number seems high and I'm not sure.

▶ 50:14 Robb Stewart: Yeah, okay. Well, and my next question is when you compare. The 383, 656 to the previous years 305, 180. Uh, it's a 25% increase is there a additional staff or was there significant from what's driving that 25% increase in.

▶ 50:33 Speaker 4: In salary that 25% increases is that new staff person the new staffers? Yeah. Okay. So did you say 683? Did you say 383 before? Yeah, that's right.

▶ 50:46 Robb Stewart: Okay, so that's additional stuff.

▶ 50:54 Robb Stewart: So, the other question that was the, yes, a support contract. Yeah, just for. For my and the public certification, what is that?

▶ 51:09 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, so so originally the, there was a contract through units. That's a thing. Tyler. Tyler software basically. osdba was they had a person on who was kind of dedicated to your account and they would do major or even minor things that would happen in your system do it kind of that you would get a contract for that 16 000 that would be a person who would do all that stuff kind of the stuff that donna basically donna cardillo and tom smulligan do that now so we've in the years since we had that contract we've kept on ten thousand dollars to cover any any possible problems that we could have that we need to munis to jump in and fix um so we kind of keep a little retainer there to to make sure we our immune system never goes down because it is our we

▶ 52:13 Robb Stewart: function off of it every day so okay all right you clarify when my question was i was wondering because the retainer that you then read into when you need support on on as an emphasis

▶ 52:25 Robb Stewart: great uh that's helpful um and uh i had questions but you pretty much answered on the telephone so that's all i had mr ellis thank you very much thank you sure thank you the council steward

▶ 52:35 Mark Garipay: council gary thank you mr chair thank you uh mr ellis for being here thank you for your presentation and i echo uh consular Thomas comments regarding um the work that you and in your department did over the over the past year, especially around getting getting the schools up and running and thank you students back. Thank you. Most of my questions were all asked. I have a similar questions regarding the salary and the phones, but if we could just touch on the BB for 1, 2nd, that is going forward that that is what needs to be done. Is that in your budget or is that something that you will be potentially coming back to us at a later date in order to fund that?

▶ 53:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good good question. Um, the BB for the most part. From what Mr. is is explained to me is going to be bonded. For the whole thing, Denise will be, we're in the stages of getting architects and getting a. Um, an assessment of the of the building and everything that needs to be done within it. And, um, at that point, we'll, we'll know what the number is and bring that to. Mr Della Russo, and he'll probably go out to bond as far as I know. That's what he's going to do.

▶ 53:52 Mark Garipay: And not that I'm not that I'm not looking to pull ball work on your department, but is any of this stuff you plan on doing this in house or is this will this all be outsourced?

▶ 54:03 Speaker 4: um the thing about you know the thing about it stuff is that a lot of the stuff has to be done at least somewhat in-house uh because of the nature of of it and how interconnected it is with everything else that's gonna it's in the city and the schools so um as much as i as much as i would love to just hire a project manager and have them just take care of everything which which we will have as part of this project. It is still something that I'll be heavily involved in. And a lot of this stuff will be done in-house, I'm sure.

▶ 54:42 Mark Garipay: And is there a potential timeline on when this project will start or be undertaken?

▶ 54:49 Speaker 4: I really can't say. I would ask that to Denise Gaffey, or I can ask her to maybe update the, City council on on on that timeline. We're still working on a timeline. We're. We're in the very beginning stages of it, so I don't think we really know at this point.

▶ 55:12 Mark Garipay: Those are all my questions. Thank you for being here. Sure.

▶ 55:16 Jeff McNaught: Okay, I didn't have anyone else in queue today.

▶ 55:22 Leila Migliorelli: Thank you. Mr. chairman and thank you. Mr. Alice for being here tonight. I just have a question about whether you or your department has thought about the plans for remote participation when the council comes back into the chamber and what, you know, how we continue the remote participation, which we've heard from a lot of constituents has been really helpful if they're not able to make it in person.

▶ 55:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's a good question and I have thought a lot about it actually. I think it's really important that we continue it in some fashion so that we can get to citizens who may not be able to make it into the chambers for a meeting. The way that, I mean, essentially the way that we would do it right now is the same way that basically teachers are running their classrooms right now where they have remote students that they're teaching and they have students in the classroom and they're teaching them both at the same time. So basically, if you wanted to continue a Webex such as this and still be in the chambers, you would all bring your mobile devices to the chambers and be basically in the chambers and on Webex at the same time. The other thing that you would need to do is maybe set up a device where the public comes to speak. So, they would also be at a device, so people at home could see them and they could speak into the microphone and people could hear them clearly at home. Again, it's a matter of kind of getting used to constantly be on your mic and have a headset in because when you're in the same room and everyone has a device, it'll echo. It's something that all the teachers kind of got used to at the beginning of the year. It was kind of difficult at 1st, but after after a few after, like, a week of doing it, all the kids figured out what to do. And my kid, my kids did it too. And the teacher figured out what to do. And they, they, you know. It's a matter of getting used to just hitting the mute and knowing when something's echoing and the broadcast from TV. The other option is you could not. Do any of that you could just use the microphones that you do in the chamber. MMTV could film the chambers as they always have, and you could just have the added aspect of a WebEx or other conferencing solution. I talked to Ms. Foote about this quite a bit. We've gone, we've had a couple meeting of the minds to try to figure this out. And basically what would happen is if it's going on over broadcast TV you just have to understand that by the time it goes from the camera downstairs to mmtv across the mmtv tv station from then the comcast and verizon to broadcast out to the community to have the public access you're talking it could be anywhere from a 30 second to a minute lapse so you could say you went the beginning of the meeting and you say okay i'd like to open this to public comment you would have to uh basically chill for a for a minute to make sure anyone who wanted to call in on the webex the webex would need to be piped to a speaker in the room um and everybody would have to mute and then that would come through and then uh that would be shut off and then you could answer questions or that would be muted and then you could answer the questions but there is a lapse with the td but it's manageable those are kind of the two different

▶ 59:20 Jeff McNaught: ways that you can handle that great thank you sure is there anyone else who has any questions for

▶ 59:28 Shawn M. MacMaster: mr ellis council mcmaster just a point of information uh mr uh chairman uh this is in relation to a question asked by counselor stewart but more general to to the budget is i didn't see in the agenda packet, the department-by-department breakdown for salaries. Did we receive that from the administration? If you know, Mr. Chairman, I didn't see it in the agenda packet.

▶ 59:57 Jeff McNaught: Yes, I did. I don't have the ability to pull it up right now, but we did.

▶ 1:00:01 Speaker 5: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

▶ 1:00:05 Jeff McNaught: Are there any other questions for Mr. Ellis? Seeing none, what is the will of the

▶ 1:00:11 Jeff McNaught: the committee on line item 155, information technology.

▶ 1:00:26 Mark Garipay: There's been a motion to move the bottom line of $773,634.

▶ 1:00:32 Jeff McNaught: We have a motion by Councilor Garipay to move the bottom line of Department 155, information technology seconded by Councilor Migliorelli. On discussion, none. Madam clerk, please call the roll.

▶ 1:00:48 Speaker 1: Chairman not. Yes. Vice chair. Yes, Councilor McMaster. Yes. Council of yes. Yes, counselor Stewart. Yes.

▶ 1:01:06 Speaker 1: Counselor Thomas yes. Yes, President.

▶ 1:01:14 Jeff McNaught: Yes, yes, 9 yes, and what is the will of the committee.

▶ 1:01:26 Jeff McNaught: On line line item 930, so just so everyone knows, um. 930 is department equipment. 931 is capital outlay. These are all things addressed by. Director Ellis, but we do need to vote on them. Just do it.

▶ 1:01:45 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you. Give me 1 second. Um. Just want to go to.

▶ 1:01:53 Robb Stewart: So, on department equipment, I did have a question.

▶ 1:02:02 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, so on.

▶ 1:02:07 Speaker 3: The, um, tech copy license.

▶ 1:02:12 Speaker 4: There's a big increase there. What was that all about? Sorry the, which, which the software license? Yeah, the input tech copy machine lease machines. Okay. We just got a 2nd 1 or why did it double?

▶ 1:02:27 Robb Stewart: The, the, I'm sorry. Yes. So the 2021 budget was for 13,000 dollars. The 2022 budget is not for 27,700.

▶ 1:02:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, so so that's because that's actually, I mean, the entire general fund that's budget mutual. So, basically, we're taking the before other departments had the ability to make their own leases with copiers and we had a few leases that were garbage and they weren't on the state contract. And. You know, with different equipment, you know, my folks need to learn how to run the back end of those those because. there's a lot that goes into those now um so we are taking over those contracts renewing with you know a standard vendor um and taking those um lines that were in those departments and bringing them into the i.t so you consolidated it into it exactly got it okay thank you uh and

▶ 1:03:28 Robb Stewart: then on the new so the city hall generator is that the new generator uh that was recently purchased

▶ 1:03:36 Speaker 4: Uh, yes, I, I believe that has it gone for free from free cash yet.

▶ 1:03:46 Speaker 4: Don't remember it was up. I know. I know. I know. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Physically acquired and whatnot.

▶ 1:03:51 Robb Stewart: So, do you anticipate any. There's maintenance testing services on that generator.

▶ 1:04:04 Speaker 4: I do, and I know that because I was part of the selection committee, I know that it's built into. The facilities management for that for that project. It was already accounted for.

▶ 1:04:21 Robb Stewart: Yes. Okay. That's all I had on the department equipment.

▶ 1:04:27 Jeff McNaught: Thank you. Anyone else any other questions on. Line item 930, Department of Equipment under Information Technology.

▶ 1:04:37 Speaker 2: Seeing none, what is the will of the committee?

▶ 1:04:43 Mark Garipay: I'll make a motion to move the bottom line.

▶ 1:04:46 Jeff McNaught: Second. Motion to move the bottom line of line item 930 made by Council Garipay, seconded by President Cinella. Madam Clerk, may we please call the roll?

▶ 1:04:57 Speaker 1: Chair McNaught? Yes. Vice Chair Eccles? Yes. Councillor McMaster? Yes, counselor yes. Counselor really counselor Stewart.

▶ 1:05:16 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.

▶ 1:05:20 Speaker 1: Counselor Thomas yes. Yes. Yes, yes.

▶ 1:05:27 Jeff McNaught: 9 yes, and last we have. Line out of 931 capital outlay under information technology. Before I ask what the world the committee is, does anyone have any questions for.

▶ 1:05:44 Robb Stewart: Mr Ellis on that counselor story. Thank you again. Mr. chair. Um, and thank you. Mr. Ellis on. The point of the city technology, that's a fairly broad. Statement budgeted 50,000 for that last year didn't spend anything. What's that for? And.

▶ 1:06:03 Speaker 4: And what was the anticipation so the 50,000 was what we formerly had, which was. we used to have a line for 150 for the school 150 for the city for capital outlay and that was basically for any uh projects in the schools projectors servers laptops any of that stuff we cut it down to 50 uh 50 and 50 again that wasn't spent because the projects that those were intended for took a back seat um the one one thing that was supposed to have happened this year was we were supposed to replace our whole camera system that runs all the cameras in the city upgrade that uh that didn't happen there were a couple other projects that we were looking forward to trying to do and those also didn't didn't materialize so that money has been unspent it It will be, it will be spent very soon. So, again, there's a, there's an amount of 200 from free cash. I'm not sure if you've seen that yet, but that's. To make full that 300,000 with the two fifties. To equal the 300 that we've had for the last 6 years. For capital improvement, and I have to say like that. You know, if it weren't for the cares act funding and possibly the funding. Um, that that amount for capital was was grossly. Under underestimated. For the future, because we have, I've got at least a 1Million dollars worth of school projects that we need to do with that. Um, we, you know, that if we case it out. Year after year over 5 years for, um. For 1.5, it wasn't going to touch what we needed to get done. Thankfully, we did get some money. So.

▶ 1:08:05 Robb Stewart: Okay, good. My 2nd question is, um. You have a 0 budget for 2022 for police vehicle for police vehicle and equipment. And I see that in 2021, we spend about a quarter million dollars. So, is is are we, um, that's what I'm looking at, uh, please. Pete, I'm sorry Pete, I'm sorry vehicle and equipment. Um, so the vehicle and equipment. Uh, you spent 243,285 dollars. On a 0 line item budget, um, and I'm just. I'm curious as to why that that hit and why, if is there any anticipation for future spend? Is that a 1 time spend? Where's that coming from?

▶ 1:08:56 Speaker 4: I'm not, I'm not sure that line is in 1 of my accounts. The capital outlay.

▶ 1:09:06 Robb Stewart: For capital outlay for, I'm just looking at the capital outlay. Line items under account description.

▶ 1:09:17 Robb Stewart: Uh, I'm not sure that probably wasn't so it's only this on the capital outlay. You're only responsible for the city technology. So I want a clarification than Mr. Chair, um, is this only pertaining to the 1st item. In this, the city technology, or is this beyond. What can speak to, but we still need to get to the entire.

▶ 1:09:45 Jeff McNaught: Bottom line, I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure what what you're getting at counter Stewart. I mean, that with all sincerity. It's probably a great question.

▶ 1:09:58 Speaker 4: I think I think I know what you're saying. There's there are other capital items that are part of that that capital that are not part of my. Under my purview under my department, like, I think the 1 you're talking about is under chief Lyle's. Yeah.

▶ 1:10:19 Robb Stewart: So, I don't know if it makes sense then Mr chair to to. Fully improve this, especially when we have a quarter million dollars that was spent that has 0 budget. I just like to understand what that is. And why I was on account for and why we are not budgeting for it. Uh, for this year, was it a 1 time spend, or is this something that doesn't need to be accounted for? That is not being the time for. And if you go to page 4 of 8 of the interactive. Demonstration, and you click on the little square that says capital outlay, you can see, I think pretty clearly what I'm talking about.

▶ 1:11:06 Jeff McNaught: I think if you. If you have reservations about this, and you want to make a motion because of. Because of those reservations, you can, I do have 2 other councils raising their hands who may be able to. Provide some further insight council.

▶ 1:11:23 Leila Migliorelli: Yes, I think the, um. Through the chair, I think the capital outlay that when you're in the budget tool, and you click on that, that's the general fund capital outlay, which is inclusive of other items. But when you're looking on the actual. Budget for it, that's it specific cap capital outlay. Sorry. I'm just trying to like, I have like a 1Million different things open at once. But I think. I think that might be where the confusion is that makes any sense.

▶ 1:12:03 Speaker 6: There's a okay, hold on. Let me double check something.

▶ 1:12:06 Leila Migliorelli: I know actually well, no, so tonight we have 931 capital LA. That fund, sorry, I'm looking at the wrong thing. And so Councillor Stewart’s right. There's like a whole bunch of items, not just IT that's in the capital outlay budget. So perhaps we're not, we can't motion to move the bottom line until we hear from all the other departments for everything that's included in that capital outlay line item.

▶ 1:12:32 Jeff McNaught: I see that Madam Clerk, that Mr. DellaRusso is still in the attendee list. Maybe we could ask him to provide some insight. Sure.

▶ 1:12:54 Speaker 1: Pulling him in now. Mr. Delruso, can you hear us?

▶ 1:12:55 Speaker 3: Yes. Hi, how are you? Yes, I can. Hopefully I can provide some insight. You're absolutely correct. Um, Lyle, the, um. This budget number no different than departmental equipment. You'll see this, um, throughout the budget schedule itself. Let's see that same thing as departments come before you, for example, public works, police, if they have any item in departmental equipment or capital outlay. Then they will explain it to you the night when they're before you. Like, Neil is here tonight for it, for example, and, but he's not here for police or public works or any other department. So, as these departments come before you, you can approve his particular request, but within that budget, but not approve the whole budget until you've heard from everyone. So, all the departments 1st, have to come before you, they have to address all these. Budget items, both capital and departmental equipment, just like pine banks does, for example, and then at that point, at the end of the budget hearings, then you would decide to vote collectively. If it's your desire for the bottom line for both departmental equipment and capital outlay, but you're absolutely right. Neil's here tonight because he has items in either 1 or both of those that he has to speak to the council about.

▶ 1:14:24 Jeff McNaught: Thank you Mr. so that that definitely shed some good light on it. 1st, I want to recognize that. Council greatest is with us, we, we hope that. Graham's performance was great. We spoke about that a little while ago. Wonderful. I'm going to go back to Councillor Stewart. Councillor Garaffi, I haven't forgotten you. I know you had your hand up. Councillor Stewart, if you want to respond.

▶ 1:14:50 Robb Stewart: Thank you, Mr. Chair. In light of Mr. DellaRusso's explanation and helpful clarification of what this is, I would like to motion that we hold this committee until we hear. From the other departments, or the complete review of this line item.

▶ 1:15:14 Jeff McNaught: Okay, I just say 1, 1 thing. It's a comment, but it's kind of a comment asking it if I'm correct. Mr. and that is because. Each night that we have a budget hearing, we're going to, we're going to have to make a motion to hold. The order of the budget itself in committee, because we can't. Make a motion for any recommendation of the entire budget until the end. Of the entire budget review the last budget hearing meeting. I think that's what Mr. was alluding to. Well, kindly educating us on on something that I think a lot of us are being reminded of. It's our 1st night back here doing this again.

▶ 1:15:57 Speaker 3: And through the chair to the council, and the reason that was done that way is, for example, tonight is, um. In the prior days, the department would have to come back a 2nd, evening or a 3rd, depending upon when departmental equipment or capital outlet was on. So, the intent was that when the department head is before you, but if they have a specific item within there, that's the night they'll address it. It saves them a trip coming back a 2nd time, and it saves, I think the council a little bit extra time. And at the end of the day, too, that was the whole purpose just to make it a 1 stop instead of having them to come back 2 or 3 times. That's all.

▶ 1:16:37 Jeff McNaught: So, the council stood, I think what I'm. Saying is, since we're, we have to make a motion to. Hold the entire budget that the order in committee each night. We're not really moving this forward for passage, we're just moving the bottom line forward for final review, I guess is the best way to look at it. But certainly, you can make any motion.

▶ 1:17:00 Robb Stewart: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. That helps. I'll withdraw my motion and proceed based on your guidance and counsel.

▶ 1:17:09 Jeff McNaught: Thank you, Councillor Stewart. Believe me, I'm busting off the cobwebs here myself.

▶ 1:17:20 Mark Garipay: Council. I'm good. I was the vehicle I assumed was public work and it was probably probably find out. It'll be the, um, the, um, street sweeper. It was what I was going to suggest.

▶ 1:17:32 Jeff McNaught: Does anyone else have any further questions on 931 capital?

▶ 1:17:42 Jeff McNaught: Seeing that what is the will of the committee on everybody jump at once.

▶ 1:17:53 Leila Migliorelli: A question on a motion like, we would hold this the motion is to hold 931 in committee. And so we hear from all the departments correct? No. So there's no motion on the floor right now.

▶ 1:18:07 Leila Migliorelli: No, I know, but I would make 1. that's what I was the motion I was going to make. Okay. So motion to hold 931 committee.

▶ 1:18:15 Jeff McNaught: 2nd, okay. Okay. Motion to hold 931 in committee, made by Councilor McLeorelli, seconded by Councilor Jamaleddine, I believe it was, on discussion. None? Councilor McMaster.

▶ 1:18:36 Shawn M. MacMaster: Just a point of clarity, isn't that what Councilor Stewart was looking to do? I think, and I just want to be clear, Mr. Chairman, when you were referencing holding in holding something in committee, you were referencing the entire operating budget, is that correct?

▶ 1:18:55 Jeff McNaught: Yes. Essentially, in my view, 931 does not need to be held tonight because the whole budget is held tonight. It's going to be held every night until we vote to move it forward with any sort of a recommendation at the end of all of the budget hearings.

▶ 1:19:19 Jeff McNaught: So we can ask questions much further down the line and you can make suggested cuts further down the line if that's a worry for anyone. We can certainly vote on this motion or we have the motion on the floor. So I think we should just take the vote. Madam Clerk, can you please call the roll?

▶ 1:19:46 Speaker 1: Chair McNaught? No. Vice Chair Eccles? Yes. Yes. Councillor McMaster? Yes. Councillor Garipay? Yes. Councillor Grigoraitis? Yes. Councillor Migliorelli? Yes. Yes. Councillor Stewart?

▶ 1:20:14 Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. Councillor Thomas? Yes. Yes.

▶ 1:20:16 Speaker 1: Councilor Maladine? Yes. President Cinella? Yes. Eight yes.

▶ 1:20:26 Jeff McNaught: Okay. The motion passes. Now, as I was saying before, we do need a motion to, that concludes our, no, actually it does not conclude our business for the evening. There's another order. However, we do need a motion to hold Order 2021, That's 122 that he's operating budget for 22 in committee. So, everything we discussed tonight, we need a motion to hold it in committee.

▶ 1:21:03 Robb Stewart: So, I'll entertain, I'll make a motion to hold everything committee for tonight.

▶ 1:21:07 Speaker 2: Thank you do we have a 2nd.

▶ 1:21:11 Jeff McNaught: Okay, we have a motion by countless order 2021. Dash 122 in committee, seconded by vice chair Eccles.